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[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Rob, well done in closing your accounts. Make sure they are all shut and irretrievable and remember that feeling. I shut all mine six weeks ago now and I haven’t even found it particularly hard even after 30 years of daily gambling. I actually still enjoy watching the slots videos and it doesn’t make me want to play them any more. In fact I just feel relieved watching things like fruity slots and gentleman gambler that it’s not me wasting so much time and money playing them any more.

Even if you see someone else win, just remember two things. 1. It won’t be you that does that and 2. if you do, you will just chuck it all back and more just like you have in the past.

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

@MaskWearer – thanks so much. You have written some of the best hit-the-nail-on-the-head stuff right here:

“How can we all be this stupid as to waste huge sums of money on a process that is mathematically guaranteed to drain us of everything we have?”

Fantastic. So true. I’ve actually found my self-imposed ban a bit easier than I thought. And I think it is because it finally sunk in I would never win. That even if it is true that they really are totally random, that there is no honeymoon, that Bandit-types are just luckier etc, it doesn’t matter. As you say, I could win £1m and then I would lose £1.1m.

I can watch the brilliant Bandit and just enjoy and wish him luck and it feels great.

Good luck mate. And you, reading this, who thinks they are getting sucked in….admit it to yourself and ban yourself right now. As Mask says, then there is a whole new life out there. One in colour and not the colour of stupid reels.

 

 

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Thanks @psychicsnail, I really do – with slots anyway. Still like the horses and I have never had any problems with those. As an update with Coral, 1 hour after I excluded from Casino I got the email stating that they were shutting my account in its entirety, including all their brands like Ladbrokes etc. as they decided I was showing irresponsible signs. You’ve got to laugh, they’ve taken my money for 30 years when I was always showing obvious signs like that, yet the second that I take action myself, they then decide to swoop in? As I pointed out to them, just hilarious.

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

And if ever you want confirmation that they really do care about stopping vulnerable, high-risk customers…I just went to close the Casino part of Coral permanently. And it came up – “Warning! Instead of closing your account, why not set a deposit limit instead?”. That is absolutely outrageous. If someone gets to that stage of the process, they don’t need one last attempt to pull them back. Am sending that screen grab to their management to force them to change it.

 

 

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Yes. I’ve been playing, and enjoying, online slots since the day they first appeared on the bookies’ sites. And do you know what? My Dad died this week after a magnificent life and when I got up this morning I had the urge to play. I actually did OK won a bit then did my normal thing of trying to win more and lost what I had won. It wasn’t much, but then and there I realised I was done. It’s a hugely expensive form of entertainment that also has the very real chance of luring you into addiction. I never thought I was addicted, but let’s face it, I was. Thinking about the new game constantly, thinking this was the game I could make a steady profit on. What cobblers. Even if I won the Jackpot King, I reckon I would lose the whole lot in a year. So there is no way of winning, so what’s the point. It’s not exactly THAT entertaining unless you win.

So, pointless post, really, but i am done. Just excluded myself from Videoslots for 5 years and all the games parts of the other sites too. I know it will be hard but I am glad and I beg any of you who are struggling to do the same, now. You will never win, it will just cost you more and more and when you are on your deathbed, do you think you will look back and think – loved that hit on Jammin Jars? And if you do, you will have forgotten the next day when you lost it all, and more, on San Quentin cos you think you will win more.

I love the Bandit’s videos though, his honesty on his losses are vital. And I know it’s all been discussed before about every spin being random and bla bla bla but in my opinion after 20+ years of play, the only reason someone like the Bandit wins £95k on Jammin and £25k on Lil Devil in one hit is simply because they’ve played so much, lost so much, and by the law of averages or whatever they will get some of those hits. I won’t, never will. So what’s the point? None. I probably played every day on slots for 20 years. £2 stake. My biggest ever win? £2,350 and that was about 15 years ago on a game I can’t even remember. I reckon I had no more than 10 wins of at least 500x in that ENTIRE time. And I played A LOT. I used to play at work, whole mornings usually. So that is millions and millions and millions of spins.

Finally, I welcome all the government measures that may come in. Low stakes, good. No autos, good. Calm them down. And one day someone will rip through this industry and discover the RTP bullshit for what it really is. I hope it becomes the next PPI and I can get back everything I lost 🙂

Bitter? Yes. Stupid? Yes. Happy to have banned myself at long long last? Yes.

Get away from them before they consume you, please.

 

 

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Some wise words here, well worth heeding. The other way to look at it is that your brain is telling you “just see what the Heartstopper pays” as logically you spent thousands of spins to get there so surely it will pay. The fact is it’s thousands of times more likely it will pay x5 or something (my last Heartstopper on Lil Devil did). Also – even if it did pay say £3k what would you do with it? Honestly take all the money to get you out of the shit? Or just leave say £200 to have a little float to play with. Bugger, lost that, let’s just dip into the £2.8k to get it back. No harm done. Damn, lost that again, let’s win it back……

And suddenly the miracle win is gone.

I’ve been there, mate. Stay clear, learn the lesson, and good luck.

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Thanks – makes sense. Just done another demo one and lost a demo £500 on a £2 stake. Sobers you up to the reality compared to seeing others’ big wins…..

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Sorry, not true? Why on earth would I make that story up?! If you reread, it was not a current Batman slot, it was one from years and years ago and I was just wondering if anyone else remembered that slot and whether it disappeared too for them. It was an extraordinary misjudgement in game design. Or, blatant attempts to mislead.

 

EDIT: whoops sorry I don’t think you were talking to me 🙂

 

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Well about 5 or 6 years ago I was playing a Batman slot on Coral. As always I was playing £2 spins so adjusted the bet to say £2. Four presses later my entire 400 balance was gone and I realised to my horror that the £2 was bet per line and it was 50 lines….

I was incensed as the layout of the game showed really only the £2 like all other games so far too easy to think that was the total stake.

So I complained and got the old you wouldn’t have complained if you had won etc.

I pointed out I had been playing slots for 20 years so if I was duped anyone could be. I also pointed out I had never staked more than 2 a spin in my life.

I didn’t give up, managed to get through to a senior manager (I was that furious) who was great and rang me to offer me condolences etc and probably a £10 free bet. I just asked her to play the game herself and see what she thought. She came back 20 mins later and said she agreed it was incredibly misleading and based on the fact I had always staked £2 she would give me my £400 back!

Obviously I lost it all v quickly(!) but was grateful. Interestingly I noted that the game showed an error from that afternoon and was then removed completely. I have never seen the game since. Anyone remember it? Was nothing like the Batman slots out there now, just remember it had very big black Batman logo symbols as bonus triggers. Anyone remember it?

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

It does mate, thanks. Total sense and I know you are right. So why can’t I teach my brain that? 🙂

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Ta. Yes, sure I know it’s “random” and that I could (ho ho) stake 80p and win £20k. BUT what I am saying is the odds of that are 10 grillion to one. (would be 5 grillion to one, but it’s me so…). The fact that he had already staked £20k, based on RTP alone, must mean that the odds had come down from 10 grillion to one – not to evens, but say 9.5 grillion to one. PLUS you can’t hit the heartstopper bonus from your first go, and presumably the heartstopper has a higher RTP than the normal bonus, so perhaps all that did make it slightly more likely. Or, a fraction less nigh on impossible.

 

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

>>  Remember, RTP is based on wagers, not on deposits.

 

Aha……finally I get where my thinking is askew. That does make total sense now. You are a star, thanks!

 

 

[Ga GaryBannister60 WANTED $18 Outlaw]

That’s great, thankyou so much. So the testing and security is at the game level, rather than the bookmaker’s website level? Presumably they just embed these games so they can’t do any “adjustments”?. You have put my mind at rest, so thanks.

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