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3rd January 2019 at 2:47 pm #33967
Right so i’ve been playing bonanza and DHV a lot recently and i mean a LOT! Not had a bonus on them for a long time but playing at all kinda of stakes depending on the game and balance.
It got me to wondering, do the slots somehow have a way of remembering the player via their IP address so it is consistent across casinos? In the same manner that a bonus hunt works and the game remembers where you last left off. Do you think the games have a way of knowing how much has been staked/wagered over time and pays out according to that somehow?
I know i sound like a bit of a crazy man saying this, but just wondered and the world of slot alogrithms fascinate me into how they are configured. But i’ll never know and just sit here waiting for that massive win that will never come
3rd January 2019 at 2:52 pm #33968I think this has been touched on before my understanding is no nothing is tracked every spin is random.
13rd January 2019 at 3:07 pm #33973Pritmist – I agree with you on this. I believe that the games track your wagering – how else can they state the RTP of a game unless they track what is being wagered? Also, Bandit has shown times when he has gone back to a game and it shows the last win !! – I too have had this.
It also gets me thinking about the bonus offers from casinos to get you to join up. Of all the casinos I first joined, I used to take the bonus with my first deposits. One thing I noticed was the wins were more frequent – more bonus features would drop – which of course you would just have to use up on the wagering requirements. One thing I really noticed is that once you reached the wagering requirements of a bonus and it all became real money in your account the luck of the games would change and you would win barely anything. This happened on all of the casinos I first joined, then I just used to stop taking any bonus on any new accounts I opened and just bet with my own money fro the outset. Again, to me, the features and bonuses just didnt seem to drop as much as when you had taken a deposit bonus. This is just my experience.
13rd January 2019 at 3:37 pm #33980I have experienced this too..it would be great to truly get someone who knew how slots worked in terms of payout/memory etc..untill then, people will defend it’s all random and legit. Remember this though..when there’s money to be made, there will always be people at the top bending the rules.
113rd January 2019 at 3:42 pm #33981This topic has been covered a lot.
Each and every spin is tracked, in relation to amount wagered, amount won, ticket reference, user, and a timestamp. Not sure if any other information is tracked and stored outside of these, but these five items are a definite.
However, just because this data is tracked and stored, doesn’t mean it is (nor can it be) used to manipulate the RTP of a particular game. Every spin is random and not at all compensated, unless it clearly states otherwise (e.g. pub slots).
Any contradictory experiences to this are purely coincidence. They are not manipulated.
3rd January 2019 at 3:44 pm #33982I believe they will track every bet wagered in the case of slots it will be every single spin. Most people believe that after x amount of spins they are due a bonus, this isn’t true you have the same chance on your 1000th spin that you did on your first. This is known as gamblers fallacy. In the same way that someone can play roulette and see that 0 hasn’t landed in almost 800 spins so they back it thinking it’s due but the reality of it is that each spin is independent and has the exact same chance. Most habits people have on slots is superstition such as “I’ve just had a bonus so I’ll go play something else as it probably won’t land again” This is false, again it has the same chance as landing a bonus as it did when you first started playing and moving to another slot isn’t going to make the session more profitable, if your going to have a winning session you’ll have one regardless.
As for the bonuses activating more feature when playing with casino money it’s really hard to say because that’s the question that pops up a lot, is the casino rigging the games? Most probably not as they don’t need too – the odds are in their favor.
3rd January 2019 at 3:48 pm #33983We can never say for certain..casinos have rigged games in the past..claiming unintentional or otherwise. So it has happened
113rd January 2019 at 4:10 pm #33993We can never say for certain..casinos have rigged games in the past..claiming unintentional or otherwise. So it has happened
But you can say this about anything, otherwise where do you draw the line? Sometimes you have to take things as they are.
Corruption with major, reputable casinos and providers is rare. As Green said, they don’t need to manipulate anything, it’s already in their favour. The risk versus the reward absolutely isn’t worth it. There of course will be smaller, dodgier sites that I would steer clear of for being rogue, but the main ones you should feel safe playing with.
The industry is heavily regulated, more so now than ever in the UK.
3rd January 2019 at 4:20 pm #33998Well ‘betfred’ are a major provider..yet they were caught using rogue software were they not? As i say..when there’s money to be made..anything goes.
113rd January 2019 at 4:25 pm #340013rd January 2019 at 4:27 pm #33978Online slots that are regulated by any of the following: United Kingdom Gambling Commission,Malta Gaming Authority, Alderney Gambling Control Commission would all be random if the casino is abiding by the regulations set forth by the gambling authority in question. The reason I know this is because my mate made a freedom of information request to UKGC.
The way slots traditionally worked ( I’e one armed bandits etc) was there was one line and it was attached to a random number generator that is changing multiple times a millisecond, when you click spin it stops it at one of the pre-set outcomes attached to the number that it stops at on the random number generator, if that makes sense?
On video slots with 20 lines, for example, it can work in two different ways each row could have it’s own number on the random number generator assigned to it, or each line could.
The only way I can see that a casino could change the RTP is to remove more of the winning possibilities from the random number generator.
However, the RTP is pre-set by the regulatory authority that is assigned to that casino/slot so changing it would be illegal.
Not sure if I explained that very well but that’s what the casino and gambling authorities should legally be abiding by.
Also games are hosted on the server of the game provider and not the casino themselves so the casino should have no control over the RTP.
However, there was a case of a casino tropicana casino I think? That got done for fraudulently hosting some Netent games on their own server.
3rd January 2019 at 4:28 pm #33988Cheers for your thoughts/views/opinions/facts…..very interesting topics and I totally agree that everything is tracked for a number of different purposes.
I’d just love to learn and understand the game engines and mathematics that go into creating one of the many billions of combinations that product the big wins. I mean it’s possible to hit a full screen of skulls on DHV or even diamonds on Bonanza, but the chances of that happening are so rare, but wanted to know if anything goes into the algorithm to suggest the symbols on the reels need to have a certain combination or number of different kinds of symbols based on the ways that will be displayed.
Anyway, just babbling now and good that other people are thinking about these things. But just want to spend one day in the life of a slot developers head to understand the game mechanics really.
Happy gambling!
3rd January 2019 at 4:48 pm #34006Well ‘betfred’ are a major provider..yet they were caught using rogue software were they not? As i say..when there’s money to be made..anything goes.
Do you have a source for this? If you’re talking about the £1.7m blackjack win, that has been determined as a glitch right now, I believe there is still evidence being compiled for a lengthy court case. Accusing Betfred of being rogue based on this would be incorrect, as no one, currently, has any evidence to support that claim. It was discussed on this forum a while back.
Also, I did say rare, as with anything in life, there are always going to be exceptions.
Cheers for your thoughts/views/opinions/facts…..very interesting topics and I totally agree that everything is tracked for a number of different purposes.
I’d just love to learn and understand the game engines and mathematics that go into creating one of the many billions of combinations that product the big wins. I mean it’s possible to hit a full screen of skulls on DHV or even diamonds on Bonanza, but the chances of that happening are so rare, but wanted to know if anything goes into the algorithm to suggest the symbols on the reels need to have a certain combination or number of different kinds of symbols based on the ways that will be displayed.
Anyway, just babbling now and good that other people are thinking about these things. But just want to spend one day in the life of a slot developers head to understand the game mechanics really.
Happy gambling!
I guess the in-game mechanics are where it gets a lot more complicated. The providers will design the slot and tweak it significantly until the RTP rests in the desired position over billions of spins. Every slot will be designed differently. I’d lean towards saying that a full screen of the top symbol on Bonanza, DHV etc. aren’t possible and probably aren’t programmed into the game. For example, most Blueprints have a cap of 10,000x, despite there being combinations that should surpass this.
3rd January 2019 at 4:57 pm #34009It wasn’t regarding blackjack win. Regarding Finsoft/Spielo G2 software. A quick google search will show the issue.
113rd January 2019 at 5:05 pm #34012It wasn’t regarding blackjack win. Regarding Finsoft/Spielo G2 software. A quick google search will show the issue.
Are you Just Basics by any chance? You two are incredibly alike. You seem to be disregarding all of my points and solely focussing on your own, original point, despite the debate evolving.
So the Finsoft/Spielo G2 software was the provider being rogue (whether intentional or a major accidental flaw in the design of the game). Betfred didn’t create the game, nor did they manipulate it to provide themselves with a positive outcome.
Now, how Betfred handled the whole situation was poorly, in relation to refunds, working with this provider etc. and at the end of the day they did breach their license in using their software, however that is not the topic that we are discussing here.
And I’ll revert back to my original point of, these occurrences are rare not impossible.
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