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[brizman WANTED $46 Outlaw]

Biohazard wrote:

brizman wrote:

It wasn’t regarding blackjack win. Regarding Finsoft/Spielo G2 software. A quick google search will show the issue.

Are you Just Basics by any chance? You two are incredibly alike. You seem to be disregarding all of my points and solely focussing on your own, original point, despite the debate evolving.

So the Finsoft/Spielo G2 software was the provider being rogue (whether intentional or a major accidental flaw in the design of the game). Betfred didn’t create the game, nor did they manipulate it to provide themselves with a positive outcome.

Now, how Betfred handled the whole situation was poorly, in relation to refunds, working with this provider etc. and at the end of the day they did breach their license in using their software, however that is not the topic that we are discussing here.

And I’ll revert back to my original point of, these occurrences are rare not impossible.

I don’t know what you mean about being basics..but if you check the case, betfred were made aware of the problem 18 months BEFORE it came out. They had every chamce to change the game but didn’t.  You seem to be taking this rather personal. All i have been saying is…you CANNOT with full certainty say: casinos don’t cheat, when there have been cases in the past where it has shown they have been.

I am not disregarding your points at all.

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

There was a member on here called Just Basics who raised the exact same points as you and debated in the same manner.

I’m not taking it personally at all, I’m just providing facts on the topic at hand and providing my own stance on the matter. No one has once stated here with full certainty that casinos don’t cheat – if you can provide the quote where I have said this I’d much appreciate it. I have actually said, on several occasions now within this thread alone, that corruption with major, reputable casinos and providers is rare. Rare being the keyword.

In Betfred’s case, it seemed like more incompetence towards a corrupt provider than anything else. Not excusable, but certainly not something that would make me class Betfred as “rogue”. They did come out and offer refunds on all wagers made on these games. Perhaps not soon enough, agreed, but a mass-refund on a set of games is not something that a casino would do lightly. It took months and months of evidence and statistical analysis compiled by CasinoMeister and co to come to a resolution.

[brizman WANTED $46 Outlaw]

Biohazard wrote:

There was a member on here called Just Basics who raised the exact same points as you and debated in the same manner.

I’m not taking it personally at all, I’m just providing facts on the topic at hand and providing my own stance on the matter. No one has once stated here with full certainty that casinos don’t cheat – if you can provide the quote where I have said this I’d much appreciate it. I have actually said, on several occasions now within this thread alone, that corruption with major, reputable casinos and providers is rare. Rare being the keyword.

In Betfred’s case, it seemed like more incompetence towards a corrupt provider than anything else. Not excusable, but certainly not something that would make me class Betfred as “rogue”. They did come out and offer refunds on all wagers made on these games. Perhaps not soon enough, agreed, but a mass-refund on a set of games is not something that a casino would do lightly. It took months and months of evidence and statistical analysis compiled by CasinoMeister and co to come to a resolution.

I would call any site ‘rogue’ if they are aware of a corrupt game and choose to do nothing about it. A full refund was the least they could do, and this was only because they were caught. Would they have refunded players out the goodness of there hearts had it not been found? Highly unlikely.

I am not claiming you said all casinos cheat. But this case shows that even regulations and testing were incompetent. Hell, the commission itself is funded by major casinos! Anyway, that was not the discussion…

Slots having memory..who knows how it works..

[pritmist WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Funny how no matter how much this topic is discussed, it always has a number of opinions and views. Don’t disagree or agree with anyone, but just think it’s a fascinating world about how these games are programmed these days.

 

As for things like roulette, I don’t care how many people tell me they are legit and regulated and licensed and they don’t need to be doing anything dodgy as it’s in the casinos favour. There is almost certainly some mechanisms by which wheels work in weird and wonderful ways sometimes. Not all the time, but there are forces at play which defy the laws of physics and just have no clear explanation for the behaviour. Yes, I would be saying this as I’ve been stung hard in the past, but at the same time have had some mega wins along the way.

 

So it’s just one for me that makes me wonder, but doesn’t mean I’m going to stop gambling anytime soon. It’s just the way the industry is and I genuinely love it, so that’s all I’ll say on this topic. Thanks for the contributions peeps. Love a good healthy conversation

[stony WANTED $28 Outlaw]

Not slots but this is quite interesting regarding cheating.

 

 

 

 

 

[Quazzi WANTED $138 Outlaw]

Quite simple really, all these slots and table games are designed to lose! By DESIGN!

[andywilliams1187 WANTED $398 Blocked]

If slots have a memory, then Mr bandit must have been very nice to reel king in a previous life hahaha

Interesting post though.

[Anonymous WANTED $55 Inactive]

How can every spin possibly be random?   You could never fix an RTP.   In my opinion they are just like fruities in the pub.  When they are first put in they pay out loads.  After that they just take.    They are ‘rigged’ in a way to stay legal, pay out what they need to pay out.   By saying rigged, I don’t mean bent by the way.

[Quazzi WANTED $138 Outlaw]

MurciPete wrote:

How can every spin possibly be random?   You could never fix an RTP.   In my opinion they are just like fruities in the pub.  When they are first put in they pay out loads.  After that they just take.    They are ‘rigged’ in a way to stay legal, pay out what they need to pay out.   By saying rigged, I don’t mean bent by the way.

I kinda agree to this in a way, alot of times Ive seen new slots pay well/regular after their launch, maybe they set a kinda start point for the RTP and then it gets further away or closer every spin?

If that makes any sense.

[stony WANTED $28 Outlaw]

“Are you Just Basics by any chance? You two are incredibly alike.”

The syntax and use of “CAPITALISATION” is astoundingly similar. I guess we all have doplegangers.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

Any roulette game which has a live dealer isn’t random if the dealer has a lot of experience.if you have been spinning a ball on the wheel for thirty odd years which some of them have that equates to millions of spins.if you do the same thing over and over again you can hit pretty close to around two fifths of a section of the wheel with amazing accuracy which means it’s not random.like the guy who came on this forum said the screen in front of him tells them when to change the speed of the spin to make it more random.live casinos dealer head down no eye contact with punters fast  and efficient working out the payouts the clean sweep of the losing chips down the Shute new coloured chip stacks ready with a blink of a eye slow spins opposite section to the big hitters.seen that shit for years.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

How can every spin possibly be random?   You could never fix an RTP.   In my opinion they are just like fruities in the pub.

I’ve explained this before and I’ll explain it again. Every spin on slot games is random. The long-term RTP is theoretical, not actual. Mathematically, over the long term, the more spins are played on a slot, the closer the actual RTP will trend towards the theoretical RTP.

It’s not difficult to design a slot to have a particular theoretical RTP where the spin result is random. It can be done simply through the paytable vs the distribution of symbols on the reels. Some slots do have other factors in play, but they are fundamentally random.

Also you can’t really just say “in my opinion they’re like fruties in the pub”, that’s not an opinion, it’s like saying in your opinion the earth is flat. The shape of the earth is a neutral fact. Someone can believe the earth is flat, but if they do they’re plain wrong. So it is with claims that random slots are rigged or compensated or pre-determined. They are simply not.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

To explain this another way, I’m sure we all accept tossing a coin has a 50/50 chance of landing on heads or tails. Toss a coin ten times. Did you get exactly 5 heads and 5 tails? Almost definitely not. But that doesn’t mean the outcome is rigged or not random, it’s just your sample size is so small the actual result may differ greatly from the theoretical result. Now toss a coin a million times (or perhaps for practicality, have a computer simulate it for you). You will find the actual result is very, very close to a 50/50 split between heads and tails. In probability theory, this is called the law of large numbers and is a well understood, proven branch of mathematics.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

The syntax and use of “CAPITALISATION” is astoundingly similar. I guess we all have doplegangers.

JB is known to use multiple accounts here so it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

[The Bandit WANTED $5,354 El Bandito]

Just to point out, brizman is a long time follower on multiple platforms – highly doubtful that he and Just Basics are one in the same. Pretty sure JB only made one other account to agree with himself one time and was promptly called out on it and admitted to it lol

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