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[Sl Slotcity12 WANTED $2 Outlaw]

what a genuine guy some charity has just won an amazing amount of money for doing nothing! Well done bandit top bloke always will be.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

First, as an IT professional who has years of experience designing and implementing mechanisms to ensure to the integrity and security of very sensitive financial services infrastructure, and indeed exploiting weaknesses and vulnerabilities, I’m loathed to witness what can only be considered a failure to apply technology correctly to ensure the integrity of an application.  Yeah, I really did just say that and anyone shocked reading that should appreciate their shock is one of the reasons they don’t work in this field and I do.  Relying on the honesty and trustworthiness of people entering an internet competition is like leaving your house open to the public so they can warm up during winter and asking them nicely not to take your shit.  You just wouldn’t do it.

On this point, I’m also a long time experienced IT professional, specifically in various forms of programming and web development and I will point out when you run a site like this and create a free draw and choose to open it to new members signing up, it’s far more difficult in practice to prevent abuse than you’re suggesting, particularly without putting in a large cost effort to do so. It may be trivial to set up the entry so it records the IP address and perhaps some other fingerprint information about the user signing up and therefore prevent obviously amateur duplicate entries, but the reality is if someone wants to create fifty disparate gmail addresses and run through a bunch of different VPNs to rotate their IP address, or even do this with a script which also submits different user agents etc. you’re going to have a hard time reliably filtering that out. Even CAPTCHAs aren’t infallible, though yeah it’d probably have been an idea to have one on the draw entry pages. The best answers to this problem are logistical rather than technological; you set the rules so only people who were already members at the day and time you released the video are eligible to enter, or something like that. But that doesn’t work if you specifically want to allow new people to sign up and enter.

Second, as somewhat of a liberal person, it’s not great to see moderators blocking people for taking issue with the competition being cancelled.  You might disagree with their position but these are people who – all being said and done – actually watch your videos.  And as disagreeable as they may be, you should still care about their views, and the “it says more about you” stance says just as much about you.

No one is being blocked for disagreeing or saying they didn’t like the draw being cancelled. The only people being moderated are those who are being outright abusive, or those who’ve posted literally saying “only signed up for the draw, delete my account”.

[Tricky0212 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

Tricky0212 wrote:

Now I’m not having a go at all, I agree the money is better off going to charity.

This is a purely a business/legal question for those in the know (in a lawyer, but nothing in this type of area).

Lets say I set up a site and said free £1m giveaway all you have to to do is join my site/group/subscribe or whatever. I now have several hundred thousand followers and attempt to monetise my channel – I.e going to advertisers to show them my huge following which I effectively created overnight but nonetheless is a real following of genuine members. I get an advertising deal and then cancel the draw to those that entered.

is there any regulation here ?

again, this is not a dig at what has happened here as I completely agree with the outcome, but it raises the above genuine question.

No, because you didn’t have to pay anything or buy anything to enter. You can’t sue someone for the loss of zero pence. Free draws are also not subject to any statutory regulation.

Thanks for the constructive reply, always enjoy your input on the forum.

Not that I disagree as I mentioned my own knowledge is limited but I’m sure there are still regulations around free draws and they catergorise them differently (I.e lottery/competition/raffle etc).

 

Again, I want to stress this is not specific to this completion but it is just a good example as a point of discussion. I appreciate no one has lost anything, but in the example I gave the person running the completion has gained from doing so by creating a following under false pretences.

[gi giantpeach2 WANTED $2 Outlaw]

Yep disappointed for the genuine who was looking forward to this, myself included.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

@Tricky0212 here you go, buddy https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PDF/Prize-competitions-and-free-draws-the-requirements-of-the-gambling-act-2005.pdf

[Mattybelle WANTED $4 Outlaw]

Bandit cant do right for doing wrong ….no matter what he does ,people always find fault !…some of you just want to grow up ,and shut up …its his channel,his money, his time and effort  ..to entertain you!!!!..if you don’t like it ,then unsubscribe and move on ! Actually moaning because he cancelled a FREE competition …because of cheaters…..

If a cheater won ,then there would be an uproar ! ..so accept his decision  ,and wind all your moany necks in!!!!

[Zi Zigg WANTED $4 Outlaw]

Slotcity12 wrote:

Well done bandit ?

That’s not true if we are talking about the law of contract. There is a thing called the doctrine of consideration, which says that you have to receive something in return of something else, but not necessarily of monetary value. Also, there is a thing called misrepresentation and deceptive advertising.

 

Edit: This was a reply to the wrong person.

[Bazisalive WANTED $1 Outlaw]

I complety agree with your cancellation. Please can I suggest a charity I volunteer for that you may not be aware of.

https://petsastherapy.org

 

Any help would be gratefully recieved, Happy holidays from mine to yours Bandit??

[Milozach1 WANTED $6 Blocked]

I honestly can’t understand why the ‘genuine’ people are not disappointed this has been cancelled and why so many have jumped to the Bandits defence here. Something (a prize draw) has been advertised and then subsequently cancelled. It could and should have been run a lot better. There are many ways and means of reducing and in fact stopping spammers, scammers and multiple accounts from entering. I’m probably going to abuse from the bandit bumboys with this post, but it does seem a right con. I’m a generous guy and already donate to charity, if ever I have a big win or win something I give back. I don’t need to shout about it to boost my public standing etc.

 

I’m sorry but The way ‘The Bandit’ has acted in relation to this now raises the question (again) as to whether the other prize draws are actually fair and taking place. I’ve certainly never won anything from entering any of them and wonder whether anyone genuine has, or if it’s just people he knows. Doesn’t seem right to me.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Milozach1 wrote:

I honestly can’t understand why the ‘genuine’ people are not disappointed this has been cancelled and why so many have jumped to the Bandits defence here. Something (a prize draw) has been advertised and then subsequently cancelled. It could and should have been run a lot better. There are many ways and means of reducing and in fact stopping spammers, scammers and multiple accounts from entering. I’m probably going to abuse from the bandit bumboys with this post, but it does seem a right con. I’m a generous guy and already donate to charity, if ever I have a big win or win something I give back. I don’t need to shout about it to boost my public standing etc.

 

I’m sorry but The way ‘The Bandit’ has acted in relation to this now raises the question (again) as to whether the other prize draws are actually fair and taking place. I’ve certainly never won anything from entering any of them and wonder whether anyone genuine has, or if it’s just people he knows. Doesn’t seem right to me.

Jesus, is there something difficult for people to comprehend about the concept of a FREE draw? How on earth are you being conned? You haven’t done anything, you haven’t bought anything, you haven’t paid anything, you haven’t even been asked or encouraged to buy anything or had anything promoted or marketed to you. To describe that as “a right con” is fucking breathtaking.

As a “genuine” forum member, am I mildly disappointed the draw isn’t going ahead and I no longer have my 1 in 10,000 chance of winning? Sure, to maybe the same extent I’m mildly disappointed when I buy a lottery ticket and don’t win the multi-million pound jackpot. I’m defending The Bandit’s decision because 1) cheating assholes don’t deserve to be included and there was no way to reliably be sure all entrants were genuine, 2) it’s great that some good causes and charities will benefit instead and 3) I’m not so precious I’m going to shit my pants because someone else didn’t give me something for free.

I can also tell you with the utmost certainty the regular prize draws are legitimate, everyone who enters has the same fair chance and many people have won and received the money.

[Milozach1 WANTED $6 Blocked]

argyl53 wrote:

1) cheating assholes don’t deserve to be included and there was no way to reliably be sure all entrants were genuine, 2) it’s great that some good causes and charities will benefit instead and 3) I’m not so precious I’m going to shit my pants because someone else didn’t give me something for free.

1. Err yes there is (or should I say ‘was’) a way to ensure accounts were genuine.

2. Yeah it’s fantastic The Bandit has made no secret in telling us all he intends to donate money to charities. That’s cringe-inducing in itself in my opinion. If people are going to donate to Charities then, by all means donate. We don’t need to hear about how much someone is donating to chairty. What does he want? A pat on the back perhaps. It’s sickening. By all means propmote genuine charities and charitable work. I do it myself. People don’t need to know if and what I donate to charities.

3. You’re ‘shitting’ your pants leaping to his defence when people have raised genuine concerns. You’re obviously a mod/even be the Bandit himself. Nothing is very trustworthy anymore so it’s hard to tell. Besides, there are costs to everything. There are many of us whom have signed up via affiliate links etc. to help the Bandit in the past. You shouldn’t be allowed to advertise something on a site such as YouTube for example, and then not deliver. It’s called conning people. I personally could never rip anyone off. Just not in my nature.

[ch choody79 WANTED $5 Outlaw]

This ‘IT’S FREE SO WHY ARE PEOPLE MOANING’ is getting on my nipple ends.

People are putting forward constructive points for and against. It may be ‘free’ but gains have been made from it ie subs and no doubt sign ups via affiliate links. This makes it click bait IMO.

Again, like I said earlier, it’s great charities will gain from this but i can also understand frustrations. For me it’s not the draw but the guys on here and twitter that are so far up Bandits arse and the ‘but its free’ patter.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

You’re obviously a mod/even be the Bandit himself.

?? I’ve heard it all now! I am an ordinary forum member, I have no connection to The Bandit beyond watching his videos and posting here and much as I would love mod powers, Seedy and the big man himself are the only ones here who have those.

That’s cringe-inducing in itself in my opinion. If people are going to donate to Charities then, by all means donate. We don’t need to hear about how much someone is donating to chairty.

Yes, I’m sure you’d be much happier if Steve had just said he was cancelling the draw but not saying why or what he was doing with the money ?

Oh and for the record mate, if you’d been around here a year or so ago, you’d know there was a long period where The Bandit was giving away money left right and centre to help people who were struggling, or just put a smile on the faces of some of his viewers. Random giveaways on the forum, bonus wins in videos given to viewers…christ, I remember him not only giving people whatever he won in a bonus but even upping the amount he sent them because he felt the feature didn’t pay enough.

And do you know why that stopped? For the same reason this draw didn’t happen – greedy pricks started abusing his generosity and good nature and took the utter piss. The forum became flooded with people just crassly begging and making up bullshit about how they desperately needed money, half of them couldn’t even be fucked to put any effort in to lying and at least come up with a consistent story. I know how much Bandit’s done for people because I’ve been around long enough to see it. So yeah it does piss me off a bit to see all the people like you moaning now.

[Milozach1 WANTED $6 Blocked]

argyl53 wrote:

Milozach1 wrote:

I honestly can’t understand why the ‘genuine’ people are not disappointed this has been cancelled and why so many have jumped to the Bandits defence here. Something (a prize draw) has been advertised and then subsequently cancelled. It could and should have been run a lot better. There are many ways and means of reducing and in fact stopping spammers, scammers and multiple accounts from entering. I’m probably going to abuse from the bandit bumboys with this post, but it does seem a right con. I’m a generous guy and already donate to charity, if ever I have a big win or win something I give back. I don’t need to shout about it to boost my public standing etc.

 

I’m sorry but The way ‘The Bandit’ has acted in relation to this now raises the question (again) as to whether the other prize draws are actually fair and taking place. I’ve certainly never won anything from entering any of them and wonder whether anyone genuine has, or if it’s just people he knows. Doesn’t seem right to me.

Jesus, is there something difficult for people to comprehend about the concept of a FREE draw? How on earth are you being conned? You haven’t done anything, you haven’t bought anything, you haven’t paid anything, you haven’t even been asked or encouraged to buy anything or had anything promoted or marketed to you. To describe that as “a right con” is fucking breathtaking.

As a “genuine” forum member, am I mildly disappointed the draw isn’t going ahead and I no longer have my 1 in 10,000 chance of winning? Sure, to maybe the same extent I’m mildly disappointed when I buy a lottery ticket and don’t win the multi-million pound jackpot. I’m defending The Bandit’s decision because 1) cheating assholes don’t deserve to be included and there was no way to reliably be sure all entrants were genuine, 2) it’s great that some good causes and charities will benefit instead and 3) I’m not so precious I’m going to shit my pants because someone else didn’t give me something for free.

I can also tell you with the utmost certainty the regular prize draws are legitimate, everyone who enters has the same fair chance and many people have won and received the money.

So you think you can tell us with the utmost certainty the prize draws are legitimate and fair? How do you know this for fact if you’re not a mod or someone closely affiliated to him? You’ve shown yourself to be an absolute cockwomble. I wish people could just be decent, honest and genuine. Something I fear you (and others like you) are not.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

So you think you can tell us with the utmost certainty the prize draws are legitimate and fair? How do you know this for fact if you’re not a mod or someone closely affiliated to him?

Maybe because I’ve been on here for 2 years and know other forum members who’ve won in the prize draws and know they got paid. How’s that, genius? And maybe I know they’re fair draws because he does them on random.org on fucking camera.

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