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[Mickeyvondickey WANTED $181 Outlaw]

Ultimately, either side of this argument could be correct as there is always a fraction of a percent which enables the opposing party to state ” So I could be right then?!”

We don’t live in a world of absolute certainty and you can only go by your confidence in the evidence that is laid before you and the credibility of the sources of said evidence.

Logically, we base our beliefs on the evidence that manifests us in the reality we experience, but ultimately, we could be wrong.

IMO – go with the evidence but remember that everyone thought the sun revolved around the earth many years ago and ultimately were wrong.

( Fuck, that was a boring post but just the way I see it!) ?

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

Note that I’ve never said it’s not “theoretically possible” for slots to be rigged, anything is “theoretically possible” so long as the world would look exactly the same in every way whether it was true or not. What I have said is there’s no evidence this grand-scale conspiracy involving affiliates, casinos, game providers, game platforms, legal regulatory bodies and auditing inspectors is actually happening, and a lot of evidence it isn’t.

Fair enough.
On a side note, the one casino I like that I know for a fact doesn’t give streamers any more edge than the usual 80% bonus is Casumo. There it doesn’t matter if you’re a streamer, you get the 80% bonus up to 240, and you get a max bet of €5 until wagering is completed. They don’t budge on this for anyone. This is why I prefer casumo over all the other ones. That and the game selection.

But again, should they rig things for anyone, I wouldn’t know about it.

As mentioned previously (which nobody mentioned), evolution gaming is someone I will never trust. There are so many cases of shit there. Over the last couple of weeks I’ve seen tons of events where people get their bets voided on the monopoly wheel as soon as the wheel stops, for no reason other than evolution triggering a popup saying “bets voided”. Any response to this?

 

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

How can I respond to that? I’m not Evolution. All I can tell you is all these game providers who are licensed in the UK are subject to very strict regulation, inspections and auditing. If they’ve voided a win because of a malfunction, come inspection time they might well be asked to show what the technical problem was and their records of the event and what they did to mitigate the risk. Game providers have to be able to show the exact code they had deployed in production on any given day or time, or their records of every bet and outcome. Honestly, if some of you could see the kind of scrutiny that’s involved in industries like gambling and finance, you would understand. It’s not an afterthought, it’s something that’s very bureaucratic, expensive and hard to keep on top of. To me, the idea that these companies are falsifying records en masse and yet there’s never once been a disgruntled former employee blowing the whistle and going “look, I can tell you they’re making up bet and outcome records for the auditors because I was asked to work on the code to do it” is inconceivable. I can tell you in my industry if that kind of thing was happening, we wouldn’t last a day without someone breaking the silence on it.

 

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

How can I respond to that? I’m not Evolution. All I can tell you is all these game providers who are licensed in the UK are subject to very strict regulation, inspections and auditing. If they’ve voided a win because of a malfunction, come inspection time they might well be asked to show what the technical problem was and their records of the event and what they did to mitigate the risk. Game providers have to be able to show the exact code they had deployed in production on any given day or time, or their records of every bet and outcome. Honestly, if some of you could see the kind of scrutiny that’s involved in industries like gambling and finance, you would understand. It’s not an afterthought, it’s something that’s very bureaucratic, expensive and hard to keep on top of. To me, the idea that these companies are falsifying records en masse and yet there’s never once been a disgruntled former employee blowing the whistle and going “look, I can tell you they’re making up bet and outcome records for the auditors because I was asked to work on the code to do it” is inconceivable. I can tell you in my industry if that kind of thing was happening, we wouldn’t last a day without someone breaking the silence on it.

 

Well it happens in all other areas, so I wouldnt exclude it from gambling either. Like specially those weirdass games from the curacao only companies, for example. The ones that don’t provide netent, BTG, playngo etc, none of the mainstream games. The ones who offer only crap, unknown games. But I suppose those are already viewed as cowboys in the industry.

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

@argyl53 and @thereelstory

listen mateys I know you both are very passionate about this subject. And I know you both have a fuck load of knowledge on how slots are programmed.

But cmon lads. Have a single ounce of what if’s or maybe’s for for fucks sake!

I myself have retracted a lot of my so called conspiracy’s. Due to having no solid proof or evidence.

My argument is that when there’s a fuck load of money involved. Usually there’s some kind of cover up or manipulation going on behind the scenes.

Neither of you are millionaires, or have any insight whatsoever into the workings on top of the casino pyramids. So just give a little. Instead of giving hard NO’s and Catagorical “Your Completely wrongs”.

Cos to be honest lads, you have no real evidence or proof on how slots give or take once they are out of your hands. It’s the fellas High as fuck above your pay grade that have the answers we want to know. And we are never EVER gonna find out how this shit works. Unless a million dollar company with zero tolerance and who can’t be bought look into the workings of online slots.

So shall we give this subject a break or what?

[Seedy WANTED $1,243 Sheriff]

yes please give it a break lol i feel sorry for Snail as his topic has been completely derailed into the same old dispute over which side of the fence people sit on and after reading it all as judge and jury in the forum im going to settle this as no one has given any proof or evidence that casinos are rigged and to quote i think think it was JB “its way above our pay grade to really know what happens at the top!” Jesus i cant believe i just quoted JB and the sentence didn’t contain the word c**t  xD pahahah

There has been good arguments on either side and acceptance from both side about code and theories etc and I do tip my hat that it was had with a good amount of decent communication and not just a swearing match while just throwing shit at each other honestly i do wanna dish out the cookies lol 😀

So in summary i rule this conversation a

 

DRAW!!!

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Seedy wrote:

yes please give it a break lol i feel sorry for Snail as his topic has been completely derailed into the same old dispute over which side of the fence people sit on and after reading it all as judge and jury in the forum im going to settle this as no one has given any proof or evidence that casinos are rigged and to quote i think think it was JB “its way above our pay grade to really know what happens at the top!” Jesus i cant believe i just quoted JB and the sentence didn’t contain the word c**t  xD pahahah

There has been good arguments on either side and acceptance from both side about code and theories etc and I do tip my hat that it was had with a good amount of decent communication and not just a swearing match while just throwing shit at each other honestly i do wanna dish out the cookies lol ?

So in summary i rule this conversation a

 

DRAW!!!

Fucks sake @Seedy what’s this sentrist crap? Pick a side dude! lol

[Seedy WANTED $1,243 Sheriff]

i like the fence lol 🙂

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

Thanks Seedy. And just to reiterate for those who may have missed my post in the middle of all that bun-fighting.

In the light of comments bringing new insight into the machinations of certain streamers, I would like to distance myself from my original post. If I could suck it back through the internet I would. Well, I still think he puts on a good show, but the thought it could all be just a show rather sours the whole thing.

[Levskie101 WANTED $22 Outlaw]

I read awesomex comment and thought oh this guy knows his stuff and made the most convincing argument I’ve seen to prove Roshtien isn’t what he says. Then I read the follow ups and I feel like a fool.

 

My 2 cents is that Rosh must be on at least a low max cashout. It simply doesn’t make sense for a casino to give him the deals he gets with no max cashout or max bet. In his latest deal he can even wager whilst buying bonuses lol. I’m afraid that’s shady as fuck as it’s proposed he has no max bet or max cash out attached to it which is ludicrous.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,166 Outlaw]

Seedy wrote:

i like the fence lol

I can think of someone else on the forum like that. I wonder who. ???

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

Shoulda put on my factor 50 to veiw this thread haha… Its heated up in here ?

[Seedy WANTED $1,243 Sheriff]

@Haz you wouldn’t be talking about yourself now would you sir??? xD

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Levskie101 wrote:

I read awesomex comment and thought oh this guy knows his stuff and made the most convincing argument I’ve seen to prove Roshtien isn’t what he says. Then I read the follow ups and I feel like a fool.

 

My 2 cents is that Rosh must be on at least a low max cashout. It simply doesn’t make sense for a casino to give him the deals he gets with no max cashout or max bet. In his latest deal he can even wager whilst buying bonuses lol. I’m afraid that’s shady as fuck as it’s proposed he has no max bet or max cash out attached to it which is ludicrous.

I bet you couldn’t handle reading my post about my intelligence. Nobody seems to be able to be told something like that without acting like a complete idiot after. It’s just the way of the world.

As for my knowledge about Roshtein, trust me, I’ve spent more time than most uncovering what he’s up to.

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

I bet you couldn’t handle reading my post about my intelligence. Nobody seems to be able to be told something like that without acting like a complete idiot after. It’s just the way of the world.

It was very humorous, I’ll give you that.

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