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Kamil19871 wrote:

How stupid you re all if believe in RANDOM ? the r no way to mąkę a random generator, all is software, random can be a kwantum cpu with software, not a server with fake random generator, The r no 100% random generator in this planet:)

How stupid are you to believe a software-based cryptographically secure pseudo random number generator utilising random device noise isn’t going to generate statistically random results which satisfy the next bit test and cannot be state compromised?

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argyl53 wrote:

Kamil19871 wrote:

How stupid you re all if believe in RANDOM the r no way to mąkę a random generator, all is software, random can be a kwantum cpu with software, not a server with fake random generator, The r no 100% random generator in this planet:)

How stupid are you to believe a software-based cryptographically secure pseudo random number generator utilising random device noise isn’t going to generate statistically random results which satisfy the next bit test and cannot be state compromised?

You’re stupid, you believe in RANDOM.

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Rbreen91 wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

Kamil19871 wrote:

How stupid you re all if believe in RANDOM the r no way to mąkę a random generator, all is software, random can be a kwantum cpu with software, not a server with fake random generator, The r no 100% random generator in this planet:)

How stupid are you to believe a software-based cryptographically secure pseudo random number generator utilising random device noise isn’t going to generate statistically random results which satisfy the next bit test and cannot be state compromised?

You’re stupid, you believe in RANDOM.

It is interesting though, the way every now and then you get someone popping their head up and going oh they’re not technically random, computers can’t do random. For any doubters out there, it’s sort of right and sort of wrong. Computers are able to generate unpredictable, statistically random, unbiased results which are entirely suitable for applications like shuffling a virtual deck of cards or producing results of slot spins. They are sufficiently random; they are random short of splitting hairs on the semantics of the word random.

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Christ how is this thread still a thing. Nearly as bad as the man who shan’t be named threads. Only nearly mind you.

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Dynamik23 wrote:

Christ how is this thread still a thing. Nearly as bad as the man who shan’t be named threads. Only nearly mind you.

We do not say “ his “ name around these parts ….. move along nothing to see ??

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A system constant spawning random numbers and how every press on a button could ‘trigger’ a random event, i dont believe it these days anymore related to online slots. Having a CPU running constant numbers is kind of ‘expensive’ in relation of datacenter costs. So what is more easy to have a pre-made random checker board, and have a system pick from that rather then running into a oblivion combinations into spitting out a ‘random’ number.

Its not that random really. There’s maths involved and they make sure that a slot simply does’nt lose on the long run. So it’s always random within parameters where parameters are the volatility, the maximum payout, the near hits / teasers and all that stuff. They just intensified that like 10x more related with online slots vs a stand-alone machine. I mean how many times have you guys played, won already a big phat jackpot within the first few presses ?

Proberly zero. Ive had quite a few times entering a landbased casino, hitting a handpay, and like, walk out of that place within 10 minutes. You try that online. Online is just to lure, suck you into playing more. It’s why you dont have that extremely high paying screen at a low bet. Your always pushed to doing more risky bets and gambling which results in a faster and bigger loss.

Take the Bandit Lil devil bonus thing for example. He wagered like 25 to 30k to get like 33k in total in return. So he wasted like proberly a few days, to get a 3 grand profit out of that. I still think money in vs money out, and even tho the big hit on 80 cents could have happend at any other bet; its just that, the magic is out of that for me. He wagered quite a bit of funds to get so far.

So really if you wanna break the casino, win from the casino, get ahead in any casino, simply dont play if that’s some of your concerns here. Ive played at like 5 casino’s, upon the first day of deposit having huge and magnificent wins, and to be tanked in any other session from that point on. Again, it’s all designed to lure you in. Your next big hit might come the next time.

Ya’ll get soaked with the idea of losing your money to be hitting a big pay is normal. Like how it happens to land right before your money went out. It’s just to make you get comfertable with losing your money at that particular casino. Every event has a reason to it. Fuck, they did experiments on pigeons back in the 70’s. Would you believe that a pigeon could be a potential gambling addict?

I suggest watching this vid then:

Lots of R&D spent into the basic of slots and how a reward system works. By giving you small rewards for simply pressing the button it’s that simple. And if you win big; great for you man. But remember. Leave while your ahead. Trust me.

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Another example is getting comfertable with your deposits. You drop in 200. You play. You did’nt won. Hmm lets try another 50 then. Magically you tend to make a reasonable hit, but always within that bubble of what you initially deposited, of around 250. If you continue to play from that point on the chances are 96% you will lose that. I’m not making this up. I’ve bin exploring a casino for a while now. I could make a complete video out of it on how random these slots really are.

Ill give you a example you could try yourself. Drop in 100. Play it. Did you lost it? Good. Now drop in another 40. Goto extra chilli. Buy a bonus of exactly 40 quid/euro, and take the 8/12/16 spins whatever feature drops for you. Dont gamble it. I bet you 8 out of 10 times you will play even to the initial 140 you depositted in total for those small 8 spins.

Oh wait. UK players dont have a buy feature. Ah well. Just because of the above i knew that there is something up. This same pattern tends to repeat itself alot of times over and over again. Like sometimes you cant even lose on using the gamble feature either. It’s predetermined to give you a payout. So it’s going to give you the gamble spins up to 24 if needed.

Book of ra, Book of ra deluxe, Book of ra deluxe 6 simular thing. Jump into one of these games. Play one quid/euro a spin, autoplay for 30 spins. If a game is not kicking you into the bonus jump onto another one. And repeat to the last game. One of those is proberly going to hit and set you ‘even’ minus a small loss.

If these things where genuine random, then i was’nt able to ‘predict’ what was going to happen next, did i? Ofcourse. Out of above given features i could win too, believe me. But it’s a bit weird that ouf of 8 in 10 times above happens. And repeats. And i could completely course my strategy against this system. I once was a VIP at a casino, and they litterally told me, that they would be the first in the industry using a system that would take all players deposits, and redistribute this among all playing players with a RTP of approx 96%.

I got mocked when i told people this online on forums. But appearantly such systems are there and operators can choose for such as system to take into use. So it is bypassing the ‘game provider’ and it runs just as a block of 8 slots hooked up onto eachother in a landbased casino, where the overal wagered is being re-distributed among playing players.

I mean i had my fair share, basing 20 a spin on a high-limit game on a landbased casino, to see myself lose press after press and the people on the same block of machines, start winning all of a sudden. Ofcourse, totally random, totally legit. I still believe that even tho game providers have specific rules /laws to follow, it does’nt mean you cant bend the rules. as long as you are within the whatever rules it is, they are legal by law.

Again; i find it odd that after a big payout, nothing works. I find it odd that upon a new registration somewhere glitters glamour and crap hitting extra chilli up to 22k in a bonus game like no tomorrow, and the next weeks, months, shit. Any game. Just to give you the impression it could hit the next time again. Ive learned quickly that this is random in a bottle with it’s objective to just get you in deeper and deeper, till the point someone financially breaks and is labeled as a problem gambler all of a sudden.

All these casino’s are designed to lure you, hold you and more important, isolate you from the rest around you. Because you being isolated and losing all logical sense in a tilt session, is exactly what they want. Even if it’s going 20 or 2000 over what you can financially spend, their objective is still archieved. Remember game providers and casino’s will look at numbers at the end of the day, and will find ways to even if it’s 0.025%, extract that from players too. Counted over a billion of spins thats still big money.

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I love watching bandit vids, really, but it kind of makes me cringe when he said he would be battering on rheel king for 12 hours. I am sure that in a landbased he would be picked out, taking into a private conversation, and ask ‘m if everything was going alright. Proberly followed with a exclusion for a while in that particular casino. I’m sure that online play gives bandit what he seeks; but battering a game for more then 100.000 and be rekt all over the place kind of cringes me. it is to the point for me to question on how healthy gambling is if you have to ram in 100k and lose that.

I mean i start to value life a bit here; playing slots is all cool n stuff, but your losing out on precious time you wont be getting back.

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argyl53 wrote:

Rbreen91 wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

Kamil19871 wrote:

How stupid you re all if believe in RANDOM the r no way to mąkę a random generator, all is software, random can be a kwantum cpu with software, not a server with fake random generator, The r no 100% random generator in this planet:)

How stupid are you to believe a software-based cryptographically secure pseudo random number generator utilising random device noise isn’t going to generate statistically random results which satisfy the next bit test and cannot be state compromised?

You’re stupid, you believe in RANDOM.

It is interesting though, the way every now and then you get someone popping their head up and going oh they’re not technically random, computers can’t do random. For any doubters out there, it’s sort of right and sort of wrong. Computers are able to generate unpredictable, statistically random, unbiased results which are entirely suitable for applications like shuffling a virtual deck of cards or producing results of slot spins. They are sufficiently random; they are random short of splitting hairs on the semantics of the word random.

@Argyl – clear something up for me here mate about this whole random issue.

Either something is True or it is not True.

Either there is a god or there isn’t a god.

Either something is random or it is not random.

All of the above are direct negations of each other and only one can be correct. Would you agree?

Something can not be “sufficiently” true. It is either true or it is not. There is no middle ground.

 

Is what you’re saying is that it’s technically not random but as close as it possibly could be given that RNG’s are ultimately man made.

Sorry to bring this up again by the way.

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SlotsCrack wrote:

Again; i find it odd that after a big payout, nothing works. I find it odd that upon a new registration somewhere glitters glamour and crap hitting extra chilli up to 22k in a bonus game like no tomorrow, and the next weeks, months, shit.

The norm isn’t too have huge wins, that’s why it seems like you hit nothing after a big win. The rest is tl;dr but the topic has been done to death with other tin foil hat members, actually make some sort of effort to look rather then rambling on.

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I never said that either, but getting ahead of your own deposit in the first place is a bit of a tricky part is’nt it? It’s like the difficulty factor of randomness just kicked in or kicks in for the next period of time untill you wagered a certain point and slow winnings start to come by again.

I’ve seen it by now. You cant beat it.

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@SlotsCrack – you have created this narrative in your mind to make yourself feel better about losing. It’s literally nonsense, and at this stage not even worth a discussion as, like other members that have come and gone on this forum, you are too closed minded to be able to change your opinion when presented with new facts and information.

I do, however, agree with your point about not gambling at all if you want to beat the casino. That is of course true.

Mickeyvondickey wrote:

Is what you’re saying is that it’s technically not random but as close as it possibly could be given that RNG’s are ultimately man made.

That is what he’s saying Mickey, yep. Random is a man made definition of an event that we perceive to be random. Quantum mechanics is arguably the only true random thing in existence.

Chaotic systems such as atmospheric noise, whilst observedly unpredictable, are still deterministic. Same with a dice roll, a roulette wheel, we just don’t have the mental capacity to process all of the variables in play to pre-determine the result – hence why we name it random.

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@Argyl – clear something up for me here mate about this whole random issue.

Either something is True or it is not True.

Either there is a god or there isn’t a god.

Either something is random or it is not random.

I can’t be bothered. I’ve explained the mechanics of how slots and computer randomization work in excruciating detail dozens of times on this forum. It’s just bait, so that if I say they’re random someone can pop up and quibble that computers are not true Turing machines and therefore not random in the manner of e.g. radioactive decay of a particle. It’s not fucking relevant. They are sufficiently random. They produce statistically random results. No spin is influenced by the outcome of any previous spin, or who you are, or how much you’ve put in, or how much has been paid out. The outcome is not determined by the precise time of day. It’s not fucking complicated to understand.

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argyl53 wrote:

@Argyl – clear something up for me here mate about this whole random issue.

Either something is True or it is not True.

Either there is a god or there isn’t a god.

Either something is random or it is not random.

I can’t be bothered. I’ve explained the mechanics of how slots and computer randomization work in excruciating detail dozens of times on this forum. It’s just bait, so that if I say they’re random someone can pop up and quibble that computers are not true Turing machines and therefore not random in the manner of e.g. radioactive decay of a particle. It’s not fucking relevant. They are sufficiently random. They produce statistically random results. No spin is influenced by the outcome of any previous spin, or who you are, or how much you’ve put in, or how much has been paid out. The outcome is not determined by the precise time of day. It’s not fucking complicated to understand.

You know that shit is going down when they’ve got you swearing ?

 

Jamming Jars has 17,000,000 (I think) combinations. That’s not random enough for me… ?

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argyl53 wrote:

@Argyl – clear something up for me here mate about this whole random issue.

Either something is True or it is not True.

Either there is a god or there isn’t a god.

Either something is random or it is not random.

I can’t be bothered. I’ve explained the mechanics of how slots and computer randomization work in excruciating detail dozens of times on this forum. It’s just bait, so that if I say they’re random someone can pop up and quibble that computers are not true Turing machines and therefore not random in the manner of e.g. radioactive decay of a particle. It’s not fucking relevant. They are sufficiently random. They produce statistically random results. No spin is influenced by the outcome of any previous spin, or who you are, or how much you’ve put in, or how much has been paid out. The outcome is not determined by the precise time of day. It’s not fucking complicated to understand.

It was a genuine question. Not bait, stirring or otherwise. Yeah, don’t fucking bother. I wish i hadn’t bothered chucking you £25 when you were short last year. Unappreciative prick.

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