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[Mickeyvondickey WANTED $181 Outlaw]

Hi All

I’m sure there’s someone out there far more clued up than me that can help me out with this question.

Are certain/all bonus buys predetermined?

Example: if I buy a Vikings Megaways bonus at £1 stake for £100 and take it straight away for 12 spins and x1 multiplier and it ends up paying £50.

If i buy the same bonus but gamble the multiplier up to 10x but still take 12 spins, that should mean it pays £500, right?

Or as soon as I hit that “buy bonus” button, does it know what it’s going to pay regardless of multiplier and number of spins?

Sorry if it’s been brought up before, just wasn’t too sure.

Cheers ?

[Dion WANTED $9 Outlaw]

every slot and every click is predertermined

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

As far as I believe every gamble activates a completly new feature so on vikings 5spins would have a completely different outcome to 27spins so it could be better or it could be worse as soon as you press collect the whole bonus is predetermined and the spins are just a visual but as you go through the gambles your basically skipping through different bonuses each one with a slightly higher rtp than the last

 

Hope that makes sence mate, it’s not fact its just what I’ve gathered from various conversations

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Well, if you think about it, while computers can do math at the rate of idiotic, it’s not very hard for a bonus to be 100% pre-determined. Vikings Unleashed has multiple options to collect any time and to gamble on either wheel. but it’s easy to set each games limit to eg 21s & 7x or dead first try for all but one out of £12,000 worth of £1,000 buys.

Each predetermined bonus can have multiple outcomes as it would not be possible to give the same award at 1-5x as it would at 32-37x or higher if retriggers happen and every spin equates to a balance of one win.

“This machine is random” went out the window as total bs a long time ago.

[Dion WANTED $9 Outlaw]

every spin on all slots are predetermined regardles of what anyone tells you. what rolls in doesnt matter but what it pays out does. all slots have a % in which to pay back to each player by law. Even the so called RNG (random number generator) means nothing at all eccept it just generates random numbers. All gambling venues/sites use the term RNG as a fall guy so when someone complains about poor payouts they just tell you it is the RNG fault so tio speak. I had a bonus on extra chilli while playing on video slots, the game crashed everytime I clicked start, I wrote to them telling them my bonus is stuck and will not play. A few days later they wrote back and told me they had cleared the error and would refund me what the bonus would have paid. Since the games are ‘supposed to be random’ then how would they know what it was going to pay if the bonus was never played? In my honest opinion I believe this is solid proof they are NOT random. Every spin is predertimined the moment you press play. It is all rigged the lot of it. Ever notice how you always win when you first join a site then after your little streak has ended you lose it all back and end up chasing it for years only to fall more into debt trying to see that streak again.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

If you think about it, while computers can do math at the rate of idiotic, it’s not very hard for a bonus to be 100% pre-determined. Vikings Unleashed has multiple options to collect any time and to gamble on either wheel. but it’s easy to set each games limit to eg 21s & 7x or dead first try for all but one out of £12,000 worth of £1,000 buys.

Each predetermined bonus can have multiple outcomes as it would not be possible to give the same award at 1-5x as it would at 32-37x or higher if retriggers happen and every spin equates to a balance of one win.

“This machine is random” went out the window as total bs a long time ago.

[78 78CR WANTED $7 Outlaw]

“Ever notice how you always win when you first join a site then after your little streak has ended you lose it all back and end up chasing it for years only to fall more into debt trying to see that streak again.”

No

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

78CR wrote:

“Ever notice how you always win when you first join a site then after your little streak has ended you lose it all back and end up chasing it for years only to fall more into debt trying to see that streak again.”

No

Well played.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

There is no single answer to your question, as provided the overarching outcome is random, there is no prescriptive requirement that the bonus itself has to be random or pre determined.

1. You buy a bonus, at which point the result is randomly determined that regardless of what you do, you will win e.g. 50x.

2. You buy a bonus, each spin in the bonus is random but it was pre determined (by random choice) that your maximum gamble before losing would be 15 spins and 7x multiplier.

3. You buy a bonus and every gamble is random, every spin is random.

These are all legitimate ways a slot is allowed to work in accordance with the legal rules. So the answer is only the provider can tell you for sure how a particular game works and they probably won’t. The only thing absolutely required is that in one form or another, the outcome of your bet was random.

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

Dion wrote:

every spin on all slots are predetermined regardles of what anyone tells you. what rolls in doesnt matter but what it pays out does. all slots have a % in which to pay back to each player by law. Even the so called RNG (random number generator) means nothing at all eccept it just generates random numbers. All gambling venues/sites use the term RNG as a fall guy so when someone complains about poor payouts they just tell you it is the RNG fault so tio speak. I had a bonus on extra chilli while playing on video slots, the game crashed everytime I clicked start, I wrote to them telling them my bonus is stuck and will not play. A few days later they wrote back and told me they had cleared the error and would refund me what the bonus would have paid. Since the games are ‘supposed to be random’ then how would they know what it was going to pay if the bonus was never played? In my honest opinion I believe this is solid proof they are NOT random. Every spin is predertimined the moment you press play. It is all rigged the lot of it. Ever notice how you always win when you first join a site then after your little streak has ended you lose it all back and end up chasing it for years only to fall more into debt trying to see that streak again.

The example you gave that convinced you that slots aren’t random has come up a lot on this forum, but it’s important to remember that almost all bonuses/free spins on slots are generated from a single RNG outcome. What I mean by that is, it decided what it’ll pay you for that bonus the moment you clicked spin (or collect, if you have gambled), randomly, from a vast number of different outcomes. Visually, however, it displayed this £ win in the form of a longer, more engaging for the user, bonus round.

Every spin on a slot is random, however bonuses (the visual element) are generally are pre-determined.

Your Extra Chili example is an interesting one, as I was under the impression BTG bonuses each generated their own random outcome in the free spins (contrary to my earlier example). But this could be incorrect.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

In the case of Bonanza, Chilli and other BTG titles where each spin in the bonus is random, I’d guess they just run your spins on the server in the event of a disconnect to close the round. So it wouldn’t strictly be “what your bonus would have paid”, rather they have just finished the bonus for you on their side. Alternatively it may be each spin is independently random, but they’re all generated at the same time and stored at the point of initiation, in which case they can know what the round would have paid. The latter would be unusual from an architecture point of view but is certainly possible.

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

Yeah that would make sense. I did write a list of potential solutions for that the casino/provider may have used to resolve the problem in my post, but I deleted them as most didn’t seem feasible! Although it doesn’t really matter, I don’t know how I feel about them describing it as this is what your bonus would have paid, as that’s incorrect. It’s all random, so it doesn’t really matter, there’s no advantage or disadvantage to when you choose to spin, but I’d probably rather they just said, this is what your bonus paid.

I guess for them, the first statement creates less questions for them!

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

argyl53 wrote:

The only thing absolutely required is that in one form or another, the outcome of your bet was random.

I’m so tempted but instead I’ll just pucker up and whistle like it wasn’t said. You know, like I could write my thought ‘oh fuck it’ and tear this statement apart with one word ‘profit’ or go deeper but right now I just can’t be arsed to do anything more than say I am so tempted.

It’s such a nice day. Why ruin it.

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Online Randomness = Kinda Random, but not 100% random.

Maybe slightly random, but in no way random.

Basically its not ever random!

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Mr B wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

The only thing absolutely required is that in one form or another, the outcome of your bet was random.

I’m so tempted but instead I’ll just pucker up and whistle like it wasn’t said. You know, like I could write my thought ‘oh fuck it’ and tear this statement apart with one word ‘profit’ or go deeper but right now I just can’t be arsed to do anything more than say I am so tempted.

It’s such a nice day. Why ruin it.

Then why post this other than bait? If anyone else wants to understand how independent random outcomes and RTP work together I have posted numerous threads on the subject you can find from my post history.

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