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[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

I know the answer. The answer is you lost a lot of money and had to gamstop yourself. The only reason you wouldn’t care less about them not being an option for UK players is because you don’t gamble or play there. So, i just hope people look at the facts and don’t get sucked in by all the misleading information and the people out to twist their decision making process for personal comfort or gain. Almost all Casinos i visit now have lots of slots at 92/94/95% RTP now. A lot of the new games coming out, too. What will people do if they want to gamble and can’t because the RTP was reduced to 94% on all Casinos? I’m guessing they would return and suck it up.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

If it helps, I have an email from CasinoHeroes literally telling me they did it after my request. From their VIP KAM. I FULLY admit others iwll have done the same, but if i dont do it, and others dont do it, noone will do it.

 

Your quantum RNG about pokerstars is partially incorrect. They use a Pseudo number generator, which is not as random true Random number generators. Google those and give me some feedback. Its an interesting topic. Would love to debate this with someone.

 

As for VS – Im with argyl. I play there. Well i did. Now i play elsewhere as I get 96%. Which would i voluntarily give us 2% winnings chance.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,166 Outlaw]

I’ve never ever known anyone who puts 2 and 2 together and comes up with 5 more than you. The 3 most knowledgeable people on here are argyll bio and eejit with vast amounts of knowledge and expertise on online casinos rtp and regulations.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

PokerStars utilize the Quantis – quantum random number generator that exploits optical quantum process as the source of randomness. The product comes as a USB device, PCI card or an OEM component. So how does it work? Light consists of elementary particles called photons. In certain situations, these photons exhibit random behavior; for example in a transmission upon a semi-transparent mirror, which is very suitable for generation of random numbers. This is the process that is both easy to model and monitor.

Quantis continuously checks if the light source and two detectors are working properly. The processing unit also performs unbiasing process to make sure the generated string is satisfactory. Quantis is compact, low cost and very efficient random number generator that passes all statistical tests and utilizes modern scientific achievements to do so.

Pseudo Random Number Generator(PRNG) refers to an algorithm that uses mathematical formulas to produce sequences of random numbers. PRNGs generate a sequence of numbers approximating the properties of random numbers. A PRNG starts from an arbitrary starting state using a seed state.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

As for VS – Im with argyl. I play there. Well i did. Now i play elsewhere as I get 96%.
Ok , but the diference between you and him is you gamble and he doesn’t You were free to go elsewhere and did. So enjoy getting 96% elsewhere and stop trying to get them out of the UK market so that people like me that want to play there still can and will continue to. Did you leave for life or would/will you return when all Uk Casinos follow them and reduce the RTP? If all other Casinos reduce the RTP.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

You are calling for people to hit videoslots where it hurts. Not to spend their money there. You don’t gamble and if people already have the ability to make their own choice, then why are you supporting them losing customers, money and having to leave the UK ? Why would you be so upset that you would attack my opinion like it doesn’t matter when i gamble with them and you don’t?

I know the answer. The answer is you lost a lot of money and had to gamstop yourself. The only reason you wouldn’t care less about them not being an option for UK players is because you don’t gamble or play there. So, i just hope people look at the facts and don’t get sucked in by all the misleading information and the people out to twist their decision making process for personal comfort or gain. Almost all Casinos i visit now have lots of slots at 92/94/95% RTP now. A lot of the new games coming out, too. What will people do if they want to gamble and can’t because the RTP was reduced to 94% on all Casinos? I’m guessing they would return and suck it up.

I’m not calling for anyone to do anything, nor am I upset. I’m expressing my personal opinion on a forum about a subject which interests me due to a vast amount of personal experience. I’ve been a gambler for years and worked on building software in related industries, so I have both a good understanding of and interest in how virtual gaming works. No idea why you’re getting so worked up on the idea there’s got to be something more to it than that; there isn’t.

I was a regular customer of Video Slots until early this year when I decided to take a break from gambling. I’ve played millions of spins on dozens of games at many different casinos. Your repeated attempts at gatekeeping this conversation as if you have some greater claim to an opinion just because you currently gamble and I don’t is frankly bizarre.

As for facts and misleading information, maybe you should stop misleading people. It’s simply not true that differences in long term RTP don’t have a direct and significant impact on game behaviour and the average session for a player. So yes, it matters. You are welcome to your differing opinion in respect of whether or not VS or casinos in general should have an ethical duty to inform players when they bring in a new version of a game which affects a player’s odds – I argue they do. Personally, if I was still gambling and I could play Book of Dead at 92% on VS or the same game at 94% on Casumo, it’s a no brainer which casino I’d choose and I’d be unhappy being a customer of any casino which changed the odds of a game I played without telling me. Again, if you’d play the lower RTP version or not care, that’s fine, that’s your opinion.

My favourite games were from providers like Greentube and NetEnt who don’t offer versions of their games with different RTPs. Almost all slots from these providers are in the 94-98% range and the RTP for games like Book of Ra is exactly the same on every casino which has it.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

trr420 wrote:

As for VS – Im with argyl. I play there. Well i did. Now i play elsewhere as I get 96%. Ok , but the diference between you and him is you gamble and he doesn’t You were free to go elsewhere and did. So enjoy getting 96% elsewhere and stop trying to get them out of the UK market so that people like me that want to play there still can and will continue to. Did you leave for life or would/will you return when all Uk Casinos follow them and reduce the RTP? If all other Casinos reduce the RTP.

Mate, it’s very likely I’ve gambled way more than you have, in fact I feel sorry for you if you’re unfortunate enough to be someone who has gambled more over the years than I have. You do not have any special right to an opinion on anything gambling related that I don’t.

I’ll also add as you seem to be unclear about this; only some game providers offer casinos different versions of their games with different RTP. A casino can’t by itself affect the odds or RTP of any game. But Play N Go for example offer three different versions of Book of Dead (I think 92, 94 and 96%) and the casino gets to choose which one it wants, whereas other providers like Greentube (Novomatic) don’t do this.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

I am confused on why you are getting so worked up about my opinion. There is more to it all than you think. Also, i pay there and have the choice like anyone else to leave. So what is the issue? Why would people complain rather than leave? They have not broken any laws and nobody was under a contract to get them paying video slots money every week.
“Your repeated attempts at gatekeeping this conversation as if you have some greater claim to an opinion”… You are doing this with something that has nothing to do with you. Have a look at why and then tell me it’s worth it.
Please stop coming up with random shit like long term. How long is a piece of string? Is it what you judge to be long term or the actual long term it took to create the RTP?

Personally, if I was still gambling and I could play Book of Dead at 92% on VS or the same game at 94% on Casumo, it’s a no brainer which casino I’d choose and I’d be unhappy being a customer of any casino which changed the odds of a game I played without telling me.
Again. you have the right to check the RTP at any time or choose to read their onsite news article. Just because you didn’t see the news or decide to check the RTP means nothing. So you would just have to move on and get over it.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

Mate, it’s very likely I’ve gambled way more than you have, in fact I feel sorry for you if you’re unfortunate enough to be someone who has gambled more over the years than I have. You do not have any special right to an opinion on anything gambling related that I don’t.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME IS I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS. IF I GAMBLE AND LOSE I CAN’T COMPLAIN ABOUT A REDUCED RTP AS I DIDN’T CHECK THE RTP. I AM NOT AN ADDICT THAT NEEDS TO KNOW I GET 96% RTP RATHER THAN 94%. I PLAY FOR FUN AND IF THE FUN STOPS I DON’T NEED YOU TO FEEL SORRY FOR ME IF I GAMBLED MORE THAN YOU FIRST. I DON’T EVEN USUALLY CHECK THE RTP AS I PLAY 1,000’S OF GAMES AND DON’T INTEND TO GET SUCKED INTO CHASING LOSSES ON ONE PARTICULAR ONE FOR THE REST OF MY DEPRESSED MISERABLE UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLE OF GAMBLING WHILE BEING AN ADDICT. SO THANKFULLY I DON’T NEED YOUR OPINION OR SYMPATHY.

I’ll also add as you seem to be unclear about this; only some game providers offer casinos different versions of their games with different RTP. A casino can’t by itself affect the odds or RTP of any game. But Play N Go for example offer three different versions of Book of Dead (I think 92, 94 and 96%) and the casino gets to choose which one it wants, whereas other providers like Greentube (Novomatic) don’t do this.

you seem to like thinking about where i am being unclear and why. while not trying to figure out your own bullshit.

[St StevieG WANTED $17 Outlaw]

^ What a bellend. I’m convinced he’s one of those who just likes to pick the opposite side for the sake of argument.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he was GamStopped himself and has nothing better to do.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

degenerate gambler Aka mr b,if I told you I had a black cat would you tell me you had a blacker one?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Oldmoon wrote:

degenerate gambler Aka mr b,if I told you I had a black cat would you tell me you had a blacker one?

Not only does he have a blacker car but unless his cat is sitting on your lap right now, you don’t even have a right to an opinion on whether or not it’s right to let cats eat canned tuna.

[burders WANTED $55 Outlaw]

StevieG wrote:

^ What a bellend. I’m convinced he’s one of those who just likes to pick the opposite side for the sake of argument.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he was GamStopped himself and has nothing better to do.

You might be right! I contributed to this topic early and as is usual for me ‘in brief.’ The amount of guff spoken on here since is pretty mind boggling. I’ve never really taken to people to insist on playing ‘Devils Advocate’ as they are invariably a complete pain in the arse. There is a difference of course to playing devils advocate and stating an alternate opinion and I think what I’ve read here is the former.

So here’s what I think in short;

1. Bio and Eejit know what they are talking about.

2. If Eejit can exercise influence with success in the industry then that Is fantastic for players.

3.  Regrettably no one should ‘trust’ their chosen Casino and should where possible check RTP to ensure their best gaming experience.

4. VS decision to reduce RTP across so many slot providers is a disgrace.

5. VS decision to hide their reduction away in a ‘non announcement’ news feed is an abuse of players.

6. VS are abusing their place as perhaps the most used Casino on the web, reducing RTP to help meet tax burdens and maintain profit and all the while hoping that over time many other Casino operators will follow suit to create a new norm.

My personal feeling about VS is this. They offer a good product – Clash of Spins, Wheel of Jackpots, Jackpot Chases, choice of games providers and games and are trading on their reputation. They are also expecting the player to blindly keep feeding money into their site and to either play blissfully unaware of reduced RTP’s or to simply take it on the chin.

For my part I now restrict my play at VS to Evolution Gaming product, BTG and participate in their Slot Battles. I also play at Bet365 where I’ll play other game providers at what I consider to be an acceptable RTP.

<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>Bearing in mind how VS have behaved in this respect this is what I hope happens;</span>

a. They ultimately reverse their crass decision to take certain slots on reduced RTP and reaffirm their commitment to the UK market and the issue goes away.

b. Over time players desert VS or change their playing habits as I have done (see above) and they begin to lose traction in the market place. Losing traction in this context means losing players who trickle away to perhaps game elsewhere. Their status as an operator falls, their profits fall, their customer service levels drop, more players desert them and ultimately they go out of business.

I think their current modus operandi means the b. Scenario could happen but very often big business finds a way.

We as consumers need to be aware and place our spend appropriately.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Can’t be arsed to dig through the rambling nonsense any more. Somehow from me going “I think players are right to be annoyed that VS took reduced RTP versions of popular games and didn’t make it clear they’d done that”, a whole bunch of deep inferences about my character and personality have been made. Amazing what you can tell about someone from a single sentence!

I can’t be arsed to explain RTP either, as a lot of previous experience on this forum with other posters of a similar ilk has taught me they won’t understand the maths, just want to argue the toss anyway for its own sake and it isn’t worth the time.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

How many ball licking balloon heads that always think they are right can one fit into a single thread? I am even shut down about Pokerstars random number generator within minutes of explaining it is what it is. Eejit straight in telling me i am partially wrong as usual. Then has the cheek to tell me to research it and when i check it to see if i am going insane, there is multiple articles coming up explaining the difference in Pokerstars RNG compared to a none truly random RNG. IT ALL TELLS ME WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE CORRECT IS CONFIRMED. I learn about the RNG years ago after researching it. I learn about Video Slots not breaking any terms and conditions or breaking the law by researching it. I learn why they took lower RTP games and i accepted it. I did all this using my head, without crying like a bitch and pushing my own irresponsible actions onto some random site that did no wrong. I am made to feel crazy because i don’t care if a slot is 94% RTP or 96% RTP -because i know that over say 10,000 spins it is all going to come down to LUCK. I am trying to make a point to one person, then his ball licking friends jumps on and change the subject and i am made out to be talking shit and off topic. I am being spoken to like my opinion doesn’t matter by some butt hurt nutcase that doesn’t gamble because he lost too much money; yet he is making me feel like his opinion on a site he doesn’t play on is more important than my opinion on a site i do play on.
To be fair Eejit didn’t come in acting a cunt last time… he seemed generally interest in talking about a Pokerstars RNG that isn’t the same as PartyPoker or ipoker… yet still had the cheek to tell me i was wrong again and he was right. Told me to google shit i knew about without doing it himself first. Otherwise he wouldn’t be calling me wrong.
I now know that when i am right i am going to be ganged up on by none gamblers, addicts that are butt hurt, ball lickers that need to try and make friends by ball licking to people that are wrong and telling them they are right to keep a friendship strong.
None of yous know me, i have an ip address in Northern Ireland, like i said many times i come from Ulster. … ask seedy to confirm it. Ask bandit to confirm my name as i give it when i entered the fcking PP and BETVIC draws. Then when you get it come and see me and try and make a cunt out of me to my face. I am sick of being made a total cunt out of, called wrong every time i state an opinion, called a troll, conspiracy theorist and Mr B or JB. Call me Tommy if ya want. Make a cunt out of me in Public and i will grab you in a headlock and trail you to a PC and show you how to research online. Show you all the evidence and prove what a Quantum RNG is.
I literally state facts all day long or make an opinion and get shot down, degraded and wound up for no reason. All of yous can suck my dick and lick my ballbag. I couldn’t give a fck about trying to act civil around a bunch of Narcissistic EEJITS with split personality disorders.
The only way to get through to a Schizophrenic bunch of clueless nutcases like yourselves is to act like one.
I am who i am, check it. It is what it is, check it. If you want to try and remove a multi million pound Casino out of the UK market Eejit, fill your fcking boots. I’m pretty sure they would come up with something to stop you. Watch you don’t lose more friends in the online Casino world than you make trying to be the guy that stops a Casino reducing payouts just to stay in the market. I try to keep myself to myself and try to not stop a milti million pound business making millions, as i would expect some strange shit to start happening when i am targeted in many different ways. You make sure to take responsibility for your actions just. Also, make a new plan on how you will stop all the Casinos reducing the RTP on games to stay in the UK market. You say because of your job you find out everything out in advance. So why didn’t you complain to video slots before they were forced to reduce the RTP? You know nothing before the people being forced to reduce the RTP and will be left with no other option other than to suck it up and stop crying and complaining or get a new job and stop playing slots if the rest of the Casinos in the uk are forced to slightly reduce the RTP on some games.

Over and out faggots.

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