Profile : Seyahkram1977

jamie_evans wrote:

4 – Streamers get Winmode from the casino to show them winning. UNTRUE. It’s physically not possible to give a player a game result thay wins. For the games to be provided No one can touch a gameround from it being hit spin by the player, the RNG doing it’s verified spin, the result being sent from the provider to the casino to the player. Not possible. Casinos cannot, and would not, do this. Casinos pay the provider a % for each amount lost on their games (averages around 12%) and the casinos keep 88% for them.

I’m fairly certain you’re right about streamers getting “winmode” being untrue, but that it’s not possible isn’t strictly correct.

The casino ultimately has full control of the slot.  Not because it can alter a result generated by the provider (though it can in some cases reject it and I’ll come to that later) but because it controls the interface through which you access the slot.  And this power enables casinos to do anything they want.  Because most slots are now HTML5 based, anyone (including the casino) can download the full front end of the slot, modify the link sources, and host it themselves.  But what about the RNG / result generator?  Well, if you reconfigure the front-end to look at a back-end other than that of the provider, such as an API of your own, you could send any result you wanted.  It’s not easy to reproduce and manipulate providers responses, but it is very easy to record the message payloads (results) of a very successful and legitimate session, stick them in a database, and send them sequentially on request.  This is similar to how providers reproduce videos of bonuses, like BTG did for the Tesla competition recently, except they already have the game data.  To keep this a secret I imagine it would be virtually impossible, unless almost every employee of the casino were totally corrupt and trusted not to spill the beans, and the casino were not thoroughly audited – but then I know what technical audits are like and the evidence you provide is never interrogated.  It’s not difficult to conceal from a technical perspective though.

So back to the rejection of results.  The communication path for a spin of a typical slot is player (request) > provider (request) > casino (response) > provider (response) > player.  The provider request is the important part here.  The result of a game is generated by the provider before any communication is done with the casino or the player.  In the provider request, they’re doing three things all at once, but not in the order one would expect:  (1) They’re notifying the casino of the result of the game in their request, (2) checking that the response is okay (3) reading the updated balance which the casino has calculated from the result of the game.  Step 3 is necessary because, although providers are able to keep track of your balance from the play of the slot, they don’t have visibility of all the games you’re playing and you could be playing two different slots at the same time, or have made a deposit while playing.  Some slots will show a deduction in your balance as soon as you press spin, and update with any win amount, but not update with the true balance the casino responded with until spin is pressed again.  This is why many slots need to be spun twice for a new deposit to appear.  So the order of steps 1 and 2 are the issue here, and their precipitated by this four-way RESTful design pattern.  The provider is notifying the casino of a game result before even checking that you have sufficient funds to cover the game round.  The casino is able to make a decision on whether or not to credit your account with a win.  If the casino were to respond to say you don’t have enough funds because they wanted to reject your win, then the provider would have a log of this and which would be potential evidence of foul play sitting outside of the casino, if investigated.  Plus, the player would be wondering what the hell was going on when they get a message in the slot saying insufficient funds.  But what if the casino didn’t respond at all?  What if they allowed the connection in, read the request, decided nah we’re not giving the player this win, and just held the connection open until it timed out?  Or it responded to the provider with a server error?  The provider can’t show you the win because it doesn’t even know if your balance was ever sufficient to play in the first place.

I realize this is very cynical, but wherever money goes, greed and corruption will follow.  And this simple little trick could be carried out with minimal people knowing.  Maybe just a single developer or single engineer.  And the big boss of course.

Sorry if the above seemed ignorant of your knowledge on the matter, I went in to detail more for the laymen of the forum.

Soo what your saying is …….. it’s magic

Rbreen91 wrote:

Yeah, I was gonna be out of the country for work longer than my passport would allow so I needed it within 3 days

Yeah I was working in America  and had to get mine, just like you , but I did the ultimate sacrifice ….. I went to …..Liverpool !!!!!! to have it done on the day ….( I’m only teasing you Liverpool fellows, your Great )

Malkychamp wrote:

Seedy exposed

Well if this doesn’t open up the potential  for a new thread of seedy “ in life “ pictures ……….

Xbobmad wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Xbobmad wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Don’t they do a citizen card here in the uk??

There is one but it’s not really a form of ID, it’s more a proof of age and still most places refuse it

 

ahhh no good , I’m trying to hide my age…

We used to steal blank NUS cards from college and write any DOB on them… Old card things with a plastic overlay

Was always accepted without any questions at the bar

My only time with a fake card was when I was 16 … and my brothers fault, He had a “ mate “, so he got a fake cards for 10 of us , went to threshers for a small bottle of vodka each, there was an older lad who used to hang out with us and said we should line our stomachs with milk …. so milk went down , vodka went down , the nearest proper drinking town was 10 miles away On the bus,  Before we got out of the town  the first lad chucked up, And by the time we got to the other town, I think three of us were praying for the bus to arrive …for ten miles every braking the driver did a sea of milky water was creeping up towards him, like the sea, back and forward back and forward ……… …..

Xbobmad wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Don’t they do a citizen card here in the uk??

There is one but it’s not really a form of ID, it’s more a proof of age and still most places refuse it

 

ahhh no good , I’m trying to hide my age…

Arlonewts wrote:

funny ….

You made a point ???????

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Arlonewts wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Arlonewts wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Arlonewts wrote:

thunderball6 wrote:

Stakes have gone bigger . That’s because he has more money so he can afford , and people like watching big stakes.  And I know what u gonna say addicts blah blah . And fuck knows what he said to upset u .

I’m not upset. And it’s more the concept of streamers. And how they pursue sign ups. And this has escalated over the last couple of days through smartarses and lap dogs barking at any critism. I’m well entitled to my opinion and feel I’ve made valid points I know a lot in the community agree with.

Yes all three

All three what?

Well shit you can work that out genius

Your boring now you. Just a troll looking to be the funny one.

No no, I’m boring and clever and funny ….

Also there is an “ e”  in “you’re  “ this time …. getting closer …. keep going champ ……..ps troll levels have fucking plummeted if you think the funny one is the troll