Profile : eejit101

AppleSux wrote:

Hi Phil, I’ve read your previous response to questions about spins being 100% random and want to follow up on this because of two experienced I’ve had which seem to disprove that..

1. Take games like Bonanza, Temple of Treasure, Buffalo rising etc..All three of these behave the same way. all need four symbols for the feature. Take Bonanza where you have to spell G.O.L.D.

You play this for a bit, and G appears, then GO, Then you’ll get a win with GO and the L will drop in. then you’ll eventually get GOL and a tease for the D. Eventually it will drop in the D . It seems all very deliberate and doesn’t fit the 100% randomness you described.

Exact same with the other two dropping 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 diamonds/temples respectively.

 

2) games like wild swarm or Jammin Jars 2 where you accumulate bees/coins until you max out and then wait an extortionate amount of time for the feature to trigger. How can these be entirely random?

Swarm in particular is an enigma because it allows you to accumulate at 20p but still increase stakes to get the bonus

Thanks

Your view on 1 isnt really right. Bonanza can (and has) landed on the first spin. The longer you play the more patterns you see which arent there. Each spin can land GOL and miss the D. Think ive had 3 or 4 back to back which teased the “D”. ITs just random chance.

2 – Jammin jars is a great example of when this isnt the case. Jammin Jars is oddly some form of scratch card. Theres only about 20million possible results due to it being a complex game for when it came out. So youre spinning in a win or loss based on possibilities as they couldnt work the slot to be truly random on a spin. That said its still based on RTP for each win and is a fair game.

Swarm is something people misunderstand. The RTP of the slot at any level is 96% which is split between base game and landed bonus. Which is normal. Once you fill the bees the slot RTP changes. Notice the bonus lands less often? The RTP of the whole game lowers and more is added to the random bee opening part. So your balance will take a huge hit once you start increasing the stakes. Its also not that volatile a bonus. So i dont see the appeal of people even playing it personally. Avg max bee bonus win is 247x or so (If i remember right). So its not that much more than a semi decent nolimit bonus.

AppleSux wrote:

Phil, on my earlier question you said that regardless of stake, if u had say bought a feature on 20p at 10:33:33.0125 pm , had I instead bought it at £5 on the exact same millisecond I would have got the same feature.

However I can’t see how this fits in with the RTP. LET’S take  my say £200 win (2000x) only results in a small dent to the machine overall RTP. but following your response, that same win at £5 would have been £5000. So it would affect the RTP more ?? and if instead they played £100 spins it would have been 100k.

Where this could benefit the likes of me im thinking is when I watch says Xposed or Trainwrecks spunking 500k on Wanted Dead or Alive, could I get some if that RTP on lower stakes?

 

 

RTP isnt a real time thing to track. Each spin is random. Think of it like roulette, someone winning 36 quid on a number will not stop the next spin where someone bets 1mil on a number from landing the same number.

We have several games on our clients which are lifetime WAY over 100% RTP due to 2 or 3 big winners on those games, and they are still going to be that way for a long time until someone loses at huge stakes.

AppleSux wrote:

Hi Phil, not so much a question more a statement. In the above screenshot in Millionaire I was playing 80c a spin, 400 down! and finally get a feature. I gambled it from 8-10-12-14-16-18-20-25 spins. It gave me an 8c win on the 2bd spin followed by 18 dead spins then another 64c and 4 more dead spins. So I didn’t even get 1x !!! HOW THE F*** IS THAT LEGAL? I Mean it could have chosen to kill me on any of the 7 gambles I won but didn’t. Just fcked up programming or something more suspicious?

Trust me.. its not suspicious. Each result of the bonus round is programmed from millions of results. A few of them will be very low returns. 72c is super low and hardly ever happens on 25 spins but it will be an option. You just got unlucky. Its legal as its what it has to do within RTP to be at the right level. If that bonus landed a win every spin for most bonuses then the RTP of the game would be 1000%+. Its just random chance sadly.

Spin_em_in wrote:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for taking the time to answers these questions they are very insightful.

In a earlier comment you mentioned that you have the ability to check games potential via dev tools. Do you also have the ability to check theoretical odds on potential where providers don’t list it in there info/rules?

I ask this because prag’s Sweet Bonanza has a advertised max win over 21,100x yet there is no proof anyone has ever gotten anywhere close to it.

The site i play it has option for side bets on Sweet Bonanza and they will pay out 192391/1 (inc house edge of course) on a win over 1000x, but no option for higher so cant make a rough guess myself. I wondered what are the odds of actually landing over 20,000x and is it even possible?

 

The max wins are simulated but then capped at a certain amount. That win is certainly possible i would say, but would be a 1 in 5billion chance of occuring. So wildly unlikely you will “see it” somewhere or have it yourself. 99%+ of people gambling dont share their wins so its not likely youll ever see it.