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[Haz40 WANTED $1,166 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

Well I’m being thorough because there’s a lot going in the gaming industry which is questionable at best and criminal at worst. I’ve never said gambling is a totally clean business, just that in the UK market the games are not rigged and casinos can’t influence how they play or when they pay out. I make this point because contrary to JB’s and awesomex’s frequent accusations, I’m not partisan, I’m not pro-the-casinos. If someone wants to show me convincing evidence games in the UK are rigged, I’ll be frigging delighted because I’ll suddenly have a solid case to sue and get back 15 years of gambling losses. Difference is I draw my conclusions from evidence, whereas they start with an ideological belief and then try to find and cherry-pick evidence which fits that position and disregard anything which doesn’t. That’s zealotry, that’s devotion, that’s being what JB calls a sheeple.

I’m pulling your leg ?. Sometimes I’m left wondering which month year or even decade this ” rigged slot topic ” will end. Not that i mind. It’s a good read and you can see the passion in the posts from jb and the calm controlled responses from yourself.

[Mickeyvondickey WANTED $181 Outlaw]

“Sheeple”! Ffs, not this again. ?

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

Well I’m being thorough because there’s a lot going in the gaming industry which is questionable at best and criminal at worst. I’ve never said gambling is a totally clean business, just that in the UK market the games are not rigged and casinos can’t influence how they play or when they pay out. I make this point because contrary to JB’s and awesomex’s frequent accusations, I’m not partisan, I’m not pro-the-casinos. If someone wants to show me convincing evidence games in the UK are rigged, I’ll be frigging delighted because I’ll suddenly have a solid case to sue and get back 15 years of gambling losses. Difference is I draw my conclusions from evidence, whereas they start with an ideological belief and then try to find and cherry-pick evidence which fits that position and disregard anything which doesn’t. That’s zealotry, that’s devotion, that’s being what JB calls a sheeple.

Wherever there’s money involved, there will be people trying to make more than they need to. People are never satisfied with what they have. They always want more.

I’ve wondered why nobody tries to count cards when playing online blackjack, and I found out from a source I trust (Ex employee at Evolution) that they remove a number of face value cards from every new deck. This was a couple of years ago, and other sources have told me they know Evolution at least don’t do this now, but can’t say if they did it before. This is part of the reason why I don’t play live games, along with all the obvious shit I posted in my “conspiracy theorists start your engines” thread.

There will always be fraudulent activity even on the highest level. I mean most of you are British, right? Go look at your fucking parliament. If that’s not corruption, nothing is.

 

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

All Argyl does is hide behind “regulations” and his so called inside knowledge on how a truly transparent casino should work

I do however, see that he’s not totally on board with all casino’s being true. And I commend him for that.

We have the same debate every week. And its the same old reactions from him and myself.

There are NO facts here on either side of the argument. On Argyls side his facts” are soley based on owner/management hearsay. And written laws and regs given to him by in my mind unreliable sources.

There’s far too many instances nowadays, of higher than high businesses practicing and participating in fraudulent activity.

There are only a small handful of deluded people saying that online  casinos are reliable, trustworthy and clear in what they sell.

On the other side there are literally millions of people saying something’s not right here. And these dodgy coincidences happen far too often.

I’m all for a debate as you all know.

But this debate is never going to end, until people like Argyl and myself get past the slagging matches. And concentrate on getting hold of evidence or facts, that are in no way given to us by people involved in the industry itself.

I’m happy to carry this debate on. But only if it starts to become about facts and evidence given by people who are in no way involved.

 

 

 

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

There are NO facts here on either side of the argument. On Argyls side his facts” are soley based on owner/management hearsay. And written laws and regs given to him by in my mind unreliable sources.

I’ve posted facts hundreds of times which you’ve never been able to refute or respond to. Nothing to do with hearsay. I’ve even shown the maths and code of exactly how a slot can be random and still be guaranteed to be profitable in the long term. And I have no idea what you mean by regulations and laws given by “unreliable sources” – the law is a matter of public record, it’s very easy to look up straight from source.

[Malkychamp WANTED $485 Outlaw]

All casino games no exceptions are there to make money yes? I think we all agree on that. Anyone person that has won a big jackpot or a large some of money from a casino do you think they think it is rigged or just the ‘millions’ of players that has lost?

[sp springbrucesteen WANTED $77 Outlaw]

I see chip has started the ball rolling by showing his casino deposit before each stream

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Malkychamp wrote:

All casino games no exceptions are there to make money yes? I think we all agree on that. Anyone person that has won a big jackpot or a large some of money from a casino do you think they think it is rigged or just the ‘millions’ of players that has lost?

I won a progressive jackpot of €121,000 on Betsson, the biggest and most reputable casino of them all. After years of trying to pursue them in court, I’m left with a €40,000 lawyers bill and it was impossible to get the money from Betsson. Their business model where they hide behind Maltese law is corruption at it’s worst. After 3 years of correspondence between my lawyers and theirs, tens of hours of meetings between influential people, and the MGA ruling in my favour, Betsson still didn’t pay out and got away with it.
I have a pretty good idea what I’m talking about when I say that the business model is corrupt down to it’s absolute core. It’s not farfetched to think that when they’re willing to go against their own regulators and get away with it, they’re willing to rig games.

 

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

What was their basis for the dispute and refusing to pay? Why were you not able to get the money after the MGA ruled for you?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Also, your dispute with the casino regarding pay out aside, do you not think the fact you won a six figure jackpot on a slot game somewhat undermines the idea that those games are rigged to not pay?

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

What was their basis for the dispute and refusing to pay? Why were you not able to get the money after the MGA ruled for you?

I won a jackpot on a friday, account was already verified but I verified again on saturday, on wednesday the money was still available to cancel withdrawal of the entire sum, and betsson said it was cus they would need to verify any progressive jackpot win with the game provider. They came back weeks later claiming it was a malfunction. MGA investigated, found out the game provider had responded to betsson on monday morning, 3 days after the win, verifying that the win was legit. Betsson stuck to their own, and we were just thrown out by the judge before even trying the case, after 3 years of pursuing it, cus we couldn’t pursue them in any other country but Malta, where my lawyers don’t have the license to practic, and I didn’t have the resources to front lawyers in Malta.
The deal I had with my lawyers was that they’d get paid when the case was over. Naive of me thinking I would get anywhere.

This is a huge reason why I don’t trust the industry. This and the fact that they make it as hard as possible for you to withdraw, while you can play almost limitless without having to verify who you are. This one bothers me a bit too, cus if you cash out 2k they will require you to verify who you are, even though according to MGA nobody is required by law to verify players who request a withdrawal of less than 3-4k or something like that. This might have changed, but a couple of years ago the law said that verification wasn’t necessary for withdrawals under the amount of I think it was 3400 euros or something in that area. Yet all the online casinos still demanded verification.

When it comes to live dealer games, it’s easily manipulated. If you for a second step back and disregard regulators, you will have to agree that a casino could rig pretty much every live game there is.

As for slots, they’re computer programs. I don’t know any computer program that can’t be messed with if someone who’s got the skills to do it chooses to do it.

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

Aye, I’ll post a pokie machine via Australian postal service.

 

 

[JakefraserSufc WANTED $12 Outlaw]

watch his latest video .. at 11:04 there is a message pop up on bottom of the screen that says ” is insufficient funds to play this game ” trust me there is ways around everything …

[Ku KurtisGreen WANTED $1 Outlaw]

Theres literally only two streamers i trust to be playing with real money and thats the bandit and paul! Why anyone would want to watch the like of roshtein davoslots etc is beyond me !!

hurry up and upload a video bandit were all dying to watch you top the ladder !!!

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Look how easy they can do it. How will regulators discover this? Will they search everywhere for car keys?

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