Stake experiment

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  • #6840
    Thirstypotato WANTED $28
    Outlaw

    Hello you lovely bastards, and of course Bandit!

    I am by no means an expert on slots, statistics or experimental design, but I’d appreciate your views on the following:

    I play captain venture a heck of a lot. It’ my favourite slot for one reason or another and I love it. I have had 20 or so features on each of the following stakes, £0.50, £1.50, £3 and £5. Over time I have noted my winnings of each feature, which took some time as they’re bloody hard to get.

    I have had a whopping 3 1000x+ wins. 2 on 50p and 1 on £1.50. I have submitted a couple on the site I believe. I regularly get 150-200x on 50p, a bit less for £1.50 but mostly 75-125x, and usually SIGNIFICANTLY less on the £3 and £5 stakes – majority 50x or less and no where near the multiple 00x hits I’ve had on the much lower stakes.

    Is it to be expected that higher paying features show up more on a lower level Stake? If so, is this not a tad deceitful on behalf of the operator? Punters should surely expect the same statistical chance of a monster win relative to and regardless of stake. Of course, I could just be experiencing extreme luck on the lower level stakes, but the disparity of wins of the various stakes seems suspect to me. My ‘experiment’ is by no means completely representative, particularly with a fairly low sample size! But I thought I’d put forward my results nonetheless.

    I would like to add that venture isn’ the only slot I have noticed this on.

    Do you guys experience more frequent features on slots on lower stakes? Or maybe, like me, you’ve had big wins on lower stakes, but relatively smaller ones on bigger?

    Interested to hear from you all 🙂

    #6982
    The Bandit WANTED $5,106
    El Bandito

    Yeah it seems so apparent doesn’t it, like i play DHV loads on 40p with various sites cashbacks and it bonuses loads and sometimes goes bonkers, not so much on the higher stakes.

    I think they must work on a basis of paying out a specific amount rather than a multiplication of stake, that would kind of explain why we don’t see 1000x’s all over the place when you go sort of £4 and above, like it decides it is paying you £600, if you are on 50p then booooosh nice one but if you are on a fiver then its 120x. Maybe it works like that, who knows lol!

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    #7818
    eejit101 WANTED $300
    Outlaw

    Gaming facts!

     

    1 – The stake makes no difference to the RTP of the slot. Ive seen. And ive checked.

    2 – The reason you see less huge wins at £4+ stakes…. less people play them. I looked at a casino database the other day of 19,000 players, the average slot stake? $0.49.

    3 – It works on the system of a roulette wheel. Imagine a wheel with 8 billion rungs, each of them pays a different amount of “x”. Whichever the RNG lands on, it spins in a visual version of that. There are usually 40billion or so to choose from. Thats why sometimes you think “ive seen this window before”.

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    #8245
    Biohazard WANTED $667
    Outlaw

    eejit101 wrote:

    Gaming facts!

     

    1 – The stake makes no difference to the RTP of the slot. Ive seen. And ive checked.

    2 – The reason you see less huge wins at £4+ stakes…. less people play them. I looked at a casino database the other day of 19,000 players, the average slot stake? $0.49.

    3 – It works on the system of a roulette wheel. Imagine a wheel with 8 billion rungs, each of them pays a different amount of “x”. Whichever the RNG lands on, it spins in a visual version of that. There are usually 40billion or so to choose from. Thats why sometimes you think “ive seen this window before”.

    This. Stake has zero influence on RTP. If it did then indeed, that would be incredibly deceitful, and quite frankly, illegal.

    I think another key factor on why it might feel that way, you can have significantly more spins on a 50p bet, and therefore more bonuses, without really noticing the balance change compared with a £4 bet. I know when I do higher stakes I’m always watching the balance and getting hurt when it’s dropping at such a higher rate than normal. Only natural that you’d hit fewer big bonuses as they’ll be fewer of them.

    That being said, it is mad how many people (Bandit, yourself included!) that report the higher stakes not returning big bonuses compared to the lower stakes. Must just be unlucky. Some of my biggest wins (multiplier wise) have been on high stakes (I once had 370x on a stupidly, stupidlyhigh stake).

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    #8287
    Rod Panhard WANTED $5
    Outlaw

    My theory is that every slot has a cycle when it comes to features, “x” amount of crap ones, “x” amount of reasonable ones, “x” amount of decent ones and “x” amount of insane ones etc.  But because most people are playing low stakes 40p to £2 then these stakes see the cycle go round faster.  Hardly anyone is playing £20 stakes so when you watch someone like Rolla playing these kind of stakes then it’s usually a crap bonus.

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