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[Dynamik23 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

So I was bored and decided to scan through all the casinos I play at/have an account at to see which ones use lower RTP slots. After the videoslots bullshit I thought there may be a few but I was shocked at how many actually choose these lower RTP slots.

BETVICTOR

KASSU

Casino casino

Casoola

YAKO.

The only casinos I use that don’t use the lower RTP slots are

Paddy power

Slotplanet

Imo if you choose to play and know the full details then that’s fine. However, how many people even know that some providers offer 2 different RTP levels? Maybe 10%? 5%? So now the question is if a player who doesn’t know about this how can they make a informed decision when deciding where to gamble their money? They can’t, it’s that simple. It isn’t the players responsibility to gain knowledge and details of every slot provider to then go into a game and check RTP and make sure that it is the higher version. Imo casinos could potentially be breaking responsible gambling by not informing players that such a thing exist from some providers. What are other people’s thoughts?

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

Coral have lower RTP slots too.

i don’t use any that offer the lower RTP versions, I fucked them off.

[Dynamik23 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

Rbreen91 wrote:

Coral have lower RTP slots too.

i don’t use any that offer the lower RTP versions, I fucked them off.

Don’t have a account and won’t be making one now. It’s on my list. Same here they can all suck a fat one.

[Seyahkram1977 WANTED $697 Outlaw]

I think your question has many branches…..so they “could” check the various sites to find a casino that uses higher rtp, but as you say in your question, it’s not something they know about , buttttt when I went to the horse races for the first time, I asked and read up on rules and odds ( and on such a sport  I was potentially loosing money on why wouldn’t I ?) . poker the same, so I think it’s also down to the person playing to understand the parameters , how does a casino highlight something important if the player doesn’t recognise its importance in the beginning  ????  Rtp isn’t a great secret and after finding a decent casino thats responsible, rtp is the next advice that’s given by everyone when people are looking for their slots.  21 casino has a great page taht opens when you choose a game, it shows all the details( rtp  included )and you have to click confirm again to play, that could be a way forward for casinos, but again even with the huge banner across the screen the player has to know what the rtp is for, and you’d hope ( because rtp is so high on the “how to find a good casino list “ ) they would be aware of rtp’s and it’s potential in their games…

equally this  argument falls into two lanes, low rtp in general , and casinos reducing rtp .. that’s a muddier water…., what seems to be unfair is lowering the rtp with out it being highlighted…. why would you think a game that’s 97.8% rtp would change to 95% ? Well you wouldn’t, and even seasoned player got caught out and only realised it when their sessions weren’t playing the same as they used to…that I think is more unfair to your customers, than just having a low rtp …..

 

 

[Anonymous WANTED $110 Inactive]

only casino show rtp before you start playing is 21casino and all games have high rtp

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

I have been very vocal about this topic in the past – in short, it’s handled very poorly by most casinos. The UKGC really need to crack down on this and introduce more measures to protect the customers when it comes to RTP availability.

GameRoom wrote:

only casino show rtp before you start playing is 21casino and all games have high rtp

I like that! When you open each game it should prompt you with the RTP upfront. And if it changes at any point, it notifies you clearly in this same popup. That way we, as customers, can make informed decisions around where and what we play.

Rizk, Casumo and Casino Calzone all use (or did) the higher RTP offerings.

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

Yeah I also use 21casino. Never had an issue with them.

[Dynamik23 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

I think your question has many branches…..so they “could” check the various sites to find a casino that uses higher rtp, but as you say in your question, it’s not something they know about , buttttt when I went to the horse races for the first time, I asked and read up on rules and odds ( and on such a sport  I was potentially loosing money on why wouldn’t I ?) . poker the same, so I think it’s also down to the person playing to understand the parameters , how does a casino highlight something important if the player doesn’t recognise its importance in the beginning  ????  Rtp isn’t a great secret and after finding a decent casino thats responsible, rtp is the next advice that’s given by everyone when people are looking for their slots.  21 casino has a great page taht opens when you choose a game, it shows all the details( rtp  included )and you have to click confirm again to play, that could be a way forward for casinos, but again even with the huge banner across the screen the player has to know what the rtp is for, and you’d hope ( because rtp is so high on the “how to find a good casino list “ ) they would be aware of rtp’s and it’s potential in their games…

equally this  argument falls into two lanes, low rtp in general , and casinos reducing rtp .. that’s a muddier water…., what seems to be unfair is lowering the rtp with out it being highlighted…. why would you think a game that’s 97.8% rtp would change to 95% ? Well you wouldn’t, and even seasoned player got caught out and only realised it when their sessions weren’t playing the same as they used to…that I think is more unfair to your customers, than just having a low rtp …..

 

 

Yeah for sure it is players responsibility and many just don’t care but a new player or even a seasoned gambler from live casinos and bookies categorical won’t know that some providers even have the same slot with 2 different rtps, I have gambled worked in and around casinos for 7 years and I only found out about the differing rtps on the same slot via this forum. I always check RTP to make sure I’m not getting screwed anyways but not having that vital information makes checking RTP beforehand irrelevant. Something needs to be done and I don’t know the answer. One thing I do know is providers shouldn’t be allowed to make multiple RTPs for the same slot and ukgc regulated casinos shouldn’t be allowed to choose the lower end ones.

[D3 D3sp3rado WANTED $36 Outlaw]

Thankyou for this, if I may. Is 96.43% good for lil devil?

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

D3sp3rado wrote:

Thankyou for this, if I may. Is 96.43% good for lil devil?

BTG is the same at all casinos.

[Anonymous WANTED $110 Inactive]

Biohazard wrote:

I have been very vocal about this topic in the past – in short, it’s handled very poorly by most casinos. The UKGC really need to crack down on this and introduce more measures to protect the customers when it comes to RTP availability.

GameRoom wrote:

only casino show rtp before you start playing is 21casino and all games have high rtp

I like that! When you open each game it should prompt you with the RTP upfront. And if it changes at any point, it notifies you clearly in this same popup. That way we, as customers, can make informed decisions around where and what we play.

Rizk, Casumo and Casino Calzone all use (or did) the higher RTP offerings.

yes they do have ok RTP,not sure but since I start playing in 21 casino I keep winning,also they over free spins and every monday tuesday is bonus 21%

I play in rizk casumo calzon before but I like 21casino to check RTP all you need to point your mouse game you want to play

 

[Seyahkram1977 WANTED $697 Outlaw]

Dynamik23 wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

I think your question has many branches…..so they “could” check the various sites to find a casino that uses higher rtp, but as you say in your question, it’s not something they know about , buttttt when I went to the horse races for the first time, I asked and read up on rules and odds ( and on such a sport  I was potentially loosing money on why wouldn’t I ?) . poker the same, so I think it’s also down to the person playing to understand the parameters , how does a casino highlight something important if the player doesn’t recognise its importance in the beginning  ????  Rtp isn’t a great secret and after finding a decent casino thats responsible, rtp is the next advice that’s given by everyone when people are looking for their slots.  21 casino has a great page taht opens when you choose a game, it shows all the details( rtp  included )and you have to click confirm again to play, that could be a way forward for casinos, but again even with the huge banner across the screen the player has to know what the rtp is for, and you’d hope ( because rtp is so high on the “how to find a good casino list “ ) they would be aware of rtp’s and it’s potential in their games…

equally this  argument falls into two lanes, low rtp in general , and casinos reducing rtp .. that’s a muddier water…., what seems to be unfair is lowering the rtp with out it being highlighted…. why would you think a game that’s 97.8% rtp would change to 95% ? Well you wouldn’t, and even seasoned player got caught out and only realised it when their sessions weren’t playing the same as they used to…that I think is more unfair to your customers, than just having a low rtp …..

 

 

Yeah for sure it is players responsibility and many just don’t care but a new player or even a seasoned gambler from live casinos and bookies categorical won’t know that some providers even have the same slot with 2 different rtps, I have gambled worked in and around casinos for 7 years and I only found out about the differing rtps on the same slot via this forum. I always check RTP to make sure I’m not getting screwed anyways but not having that vital information makes checking RTP beforehand irrelevant. Something needs to be done and I don’t know the answer. One thing I do know is providers shouldn’t be allowed to make multiple RTPs for the same slot and ukgc regulated casinos shouldn’t be allowed to choose the lower end ones.

that’s a fair an valid point…I think as an attraction to the casinos the rtp’s will become the battlefield, and I’m quite surprised the casinos with the best rtp’s haven’t advertised it against their competitors…but I suppose if they were better on “book of dead” say,  they may be worse on others …..for sure the answer is educating on the basics of slots and for the companies and authorities to bring all players up to a certain level of knowledge regarding casinos and their games …Equally like my sausages it’s right that casinos openly show the “ ingredients”, don’t want pig when I’m paying for horse …… wait …. that’s not  right ….

[Tp Tpritchard WANTED $34 Outlaw]

Dynamik23 wrote:

So I was bored and decided to scan through all the casinos I play at/have an account at to see which ones use lower RTP slots. After the videoslots bullshit I thought there may be a few but I was shocked at how many actually choose these lower RTP slots.

BETVICTOR

KASSU

Casino casino

Casoola

YAKO.

The only casinos I use that don’t use the lower RTP slots are

Paddy power

Slotplanet

Imo if you choose to play and know the full details then that’s fine. However, how many people even know that some providers offer 2 different RTP levels? Maybe 10%? 5%? So now the question is if a player who doesn’t know about this how can they make a informed decision when deciding where to gamble their money? They can’t, it’s that simple. It isn’t the players responsibility to gain knowledge and details of every slot provider to then go into a game and check RTP and make sure that it is the higher version. Imo casinos could potentially be breaking responsible gambling by not informing players that such a thing exist from some providers. What are other people’s thoughts?

4 out of the 5 there are on most YouTube streamers links. Chip fruity slots and jimbo are all affiliated with them and I have seen people raise this question with them and why they don’t make the subscribers aware of the lower RTP but again who does it come down to check, the streamers advertising the casinos or the player signing upto the casino. It’s like spinz casino only has a 4x bonus conversion and it being advertised a lot by certain streamers but do they have to tell the people that want to sign up through there link or is it down to the people signing up to check themselves

[Dynamik23 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

Tpritchard wrote:

Dynamik23 wrote:

So I was bored and decided to scan through all the casinos I play at/have an account at to see which ones use lower RTP slots. After the videoslots bullshit I thought there may be a few but I was shocked at how many actually choose these lower RTP slots.

BETVICTOR

KASSU

Casino casino

Casoola

YAKO.

The only casinos I use that don’t use the lower RTP slots are

Paddy power

Slotplanet

Imo if you choose to play and know the full details then that’s fine. However, how many people even know that some providers offer 2 different RTP levels? Maybe 10%? 5%? So now the question is if a player who doesn’t know about this how can they make a informed decision when deciding where to gamble their money? They can’t, it’s that simple. It isn’t the players responsibility to gain knowledge and details of every slot provider to then go into a game and check RTP and make sure that it is the higher version. Imo casinos could potentially be breaking responsible gambling by not informing players that such a thing exist from some providers. What are other people’s thoughts?

4 out of the 5 there are on most YouTube streamers links. Chip fruity slots and jimbo are all affiliated with them and I have seen people raise this question with them and why they don’t make the subscribers aware of the lower RTP but again who does it come down to check, the streamers advertising the casinos or the player signing upto the casino. It’s like spinz casino only has a 4x bonus conversion and it being advertised a lot by certain streamers but do they have to tell the people that want to sign up through there link or is it down to the people signing up to check themselves

It would for sure be nice for the affiliates to tell their watchers but do they then risk losing the affliation? All I want is transparency. I’m not sure who posted it, bio maybe but he gave some stats for how much a 2% decrease effects play time. It was actually shocking.

[Dynamik23 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Dynamik23 wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

I think your question has many branches…..so they “could” check the various sites to find a casino that uses higher rtp, but as you say in your question, it’s not something they know about , buttttt when I went to the horse races for the first time, I asked and read up on rules and odds ( and on such a sport  I was potentially loosing money on why wouldn’t I ?) . poker the same, so I think it’s also down to the person playing to understand the parameters , how does a casino highlight something important if the player doesn’t recognise its importance in the beginning  ????  Rtp isn’t a great secret and after finding a decent casino thats responsible, rtp is the next advice that’s given by everyone when people are looking for their slots.  21 casino has a great page taht opens when you choose a game, it shows all the details( rtp  included )and you have to click confirm again to play, that could be a way forward for casinos, but again even with the huge banner across the screen the player has to know what the rtp is for, and you’d hope ( because rtp is so high on the “how to find a good casino list “ ) they would be aware of rtp’s and it’s potential in their games…

equally this  argument falls into two lanes, low rtp in general , and casinos reducing rtp .. that’s a muddier water…., what seems to be unfair is lowering the rtp with out it being highlighted…. why would you think a game that’s 97.8% rtp would change to 95% ? Well you wouldn’t, and even seasoned player got caught out and only realised it when their sessions weren’t playing the same as they used to…that I think is more unfair to your customers, than just having a low rtp …..

 

 

Yeah for sure it is players responsibility and many just don’t care but a new player or even a seasoned gambler from live casinos and bookies categorical won’t know that some providers even have the same slot with 2 different rtps, I have gambled worked in and around casinos for 7 years and I only found out about the differing rtps on the same slot via this forum. I always check RTP to make sure I’m not getting screwed anyways but not having that vital information makes checking RTP beforehand irrelevant. Something needs to be done and I don’t know the answer. One thing I do know is providers shouldn’t be allowed to make multiple RTPs for the same slot and ukgc regulated casinos shouldn’t be allowed to choose the lower end ones.

that’s a fair an valid point…I think as an attraction to the casinos the rtp’s will become the battlefield, and I’m quite surprised the casinos with the best rtp’s haven’t advertised it against their competitors…but I suppose if they were better on “book of dead” say,  they may be worse on others …..for sure the answer is educating on the basics of slots and for the companies and authorities to bring all players up to a certain level of knowledge regarding casinos and their games …Equally like my sausages it’s right that casinos openly show the “ ingredients”, don’t want pig when I’m paying for horse …… wait …. that’s not  right ….

Yeah it is surprising like. One thing I don’t know, is for example, slotplanet in the UK is higher on book of dead but in Scotland is it? Or Germany? or France? I don’t know what countries can play what sites but what I’m getting at is 1. Is it possible to change the RTP games in different countries and 2. Can they swap and change at any point. So could slotplanet make every Friday/Saturday a lower RTP slot day if they wished? It does sound quite conspiracy like from me which it isn’t supposed to be but I just feel like unless a casino is legally obliged to tell you something they won’t, which is from personal experience working in land based casinos. It’s not lying but it’s withholding information to make more money.

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