Let’s look at a slot’s programming

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  • #53613
    Anonymous WANTED $483
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    To the people who are saying “random” exists in slotting online.

    Firstly….lmao.

    Secondly…Lets say i have read, understand and believe in a conspiracy yeah?

    Just like some of you say to me “just cos youve read it and throw a bit of info at us does in NO way make it out to be true”

    The people who totally condemn my conspiracies by saying i have no solid evidence

    Are doing the EXACT same thing when they are saying slots are random. By posting written programming and maths/odds given to us by the fucking Designers of the slot. Gimme a break lol.

    Pot kettle black comes to mind.

    Waffling is usually bollocks and gut feelings are usually correct.

    “Nothing” is random when coming to slotting online”

    Yeah i have no evidence. But neither do you to say im wrong!

    All i have is literally thousands of people saying slots are rigged. And all you have is a bit of info saying this is how they are programmed and here are the odds. Given from the casinos game suppliers. Lol.

    I know what i choose to be true. And its not bullshit waffle given from a corrupt gambling game designer.

     

     

     

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    #53620
    Dune2000 WANTED $205
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    argyl53 wrote:

    Too many, my friend, too many ?

    Thanks, I get the dice analogy, but even on this premise, it is the provider who is deciding what number is a win and which number is not.  So they still control the random nature of the game.

    If it was truly random to my mind, without any industry influence on the outcome then there would be the possibililty of a continual stream of wins for gamblers and casino’s going out of business.

    The fact that they can run businesses, employ hundreds of staff, pay affiliate fees etc etc is clear evidence that this is not random by any stretch of the imagination, they know the games are not random and then can expect huge returns.

    Don’t get me wrong, I understand the concept but still adhere to my principle that the random number generator is programmable and hence not random.

    #53621
    Haz40 WANTED $1,166
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    What i wondered was in the recent statements from video slots stating certain games will have a reduced rtp my question is how is that possible if a slot is random. My only guess is a lower paid symbol would be added to each reel or not maybe.

    #53622
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    Random is two people getting exactly the same bonus sequence on jamming jars and it being widely reported. All I am ever saying is the slot industry is not 100% random and yes, every spin is connected, in some way by RTP. When a slot goes into suck mode, and then the bonus finally lands and you get back 1-3% rtp, random died and went to hell in favour of profit mode. When you hit a low symbol on DHV bonus and say the 9’s just refuse to land leaving the word “fix” being said, kills the random theory. I realise no one is denying pre-determined bonuses but that in it self is not random. No one is denying the use of random. At the end of the day, we all know this.

    #53623
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    Haz40 wrote:

    What i wondered was in the recent statements from video slots stating certain games will have a reduced rtp my question is how is that possible if a slot is random. My only guess is a lower paid symbol would be added to each reel or not maybe.

    I rest my case, such as it is – video slots stating the certain games will have a reduced RTP is clear evidence to me that they can control the outcomes, and hence the random element is gone.

    However its a moot issue, you should go into every session knowing you are going to be ass raped by the casino, and even if you win big the casino lawyers will be asking you to prove where you got your money from to gamble, and checking you didn’t do a £5.01 spin whilst on a bonus 🙂

    But gamblers live on hope and that’s what makes it fun I guess, the adrenalin surge if the big one comes in

     

    #53624
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    JB, after the last thread which got you a week’s ban for your absolutely vile language, I decided I no longer wanted to see your posts and actually have a browser extension I made which allows me to block people from the forum appearing on my screen. When you post, what I see now is this:

    I’m going to go ahead and assume you’ve written the usual angry fluff of slots aren’t random, the outcomes are rigged, I’m a paid shill for the casino industry, it’s all a conspiracy etc.

    Obviously I won’t be responding. The purpose of this post is just to do you the courtesy of letting you know that anything you direct at me won’t be read, acknowledged or replied to because I won’t see it.

    #53625
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    Artificial intelligence control all online casinos. They know your habits. Your bankroll. Your deposit frequency. Your game choices and Your length of time playing etc etc

    They know how you slot, and then  they make a choice on how to get the most out of you.

    Random wins and losses?

    No its controlled corrupt manipulation.

    #53626
    argyl53 WANTED $419
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    @Dune2000

    Don’t get me wrong, I understand the concept but still adhere to my principle that the random number generator is programmable and hence not random.

    The game is programmable, i.e. the design of the reels and paytable, what the chances are of you hitting a win and how much it will be. The RNG is not. The RNG is the dice roll; the provider can’t make it land on a number less than 8, but they have designed the game so that on an entirely random outcome, you only have a 5 in 12 chance of hitting a win. The RTP of the dice game can very easily be adjusted up or down and still the outcome of every roll is random. For example, if we want a 100% RTP, we just make it so you win double your bet if the total is 7 or above, giving you a 50/50 chance of winning. If we want the RTP to be 90%, we make it so you only have to hit 7 or above but instead of winning £2, you win £1.80. These are the parameters the game designers can control, not the random outcome.

    #53628
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    argyl53 wrote:

    JB, after the last thread which got you a week’s ban for your absolutely vile language, I decided I no longer wanted to see your posts and actually have a browser extension I made which allows me to block people from the forum appearing on my screen. When you post, what I see now is this:

    I’m going to go ahead and assume you’ve written the usual angry fluff of slots aren’t random, the outcomes are rigged, I’m a paid shill for the casino industry, it’s all a conspiracy etc.

    Obviously I won’t be responding. The purpose of this post is just to do you the courtesy of letting you know that anything you direct at me won’t be read, acknowledged or replied to because I won’t see it.

    Lmao! You saddo. Youve obviously read what i wrote. Stop being passive aggressive mate. I honestly thought we were past all that.

    Oooops sorry you cant read this can you?

    Might aswell call you names then…

    Ya silly sausage.

    #53629
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    Mr B wrote:

    Random is two people getting exactly the same bonus sequence on jamming jars and it being widely reported. All I am ever saying is the slot industry is not 100% random and yes, every spin is connected, in some way by RTP. When a slot goes into suck mode, and then the bonus finally lands and you get back 1-3% rtp, random died and went to hell in favour of profit mode. When you hit a low symbol on DHV bonus and say the 9’s just refuse to land leaving the word “fix” being said, kills the random theory. I realise no one is denying pre-determined bonuses but that in it self is not random. No one is denying the use of random. At the end of the day, we all know this.

    What I heard is that Jamming Jars is more like a virtual scratchcard than a slot, hence why you can get exactly the same bonus sequence as someone else. That’s fine; the winning or losing outcome – the “scratchcard” you get – is still random, it’s just done in a different way than many other slots work. Let’s get those dice rolls out again – if your total is exactly 11, you get a pre-determined bonus sequence which results in you winning 10 x your stake. The outcome of that dice roll is still completely random.

    #53631
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    argyl53 wrote:

    @Dune2000

    Don’t get me wrong, I understand the concept but still adhere to my principle that the random number generator is programmable and hence not random.

    The game is programmable, i.e. the design of the reels and paytable, what the chances are of you hitting a win and how much it will be. The RNG is not. The RNG is the dice roll; the provider can’t make it land on a number less than 8, but they have designed the game so that on an entirely random outcome, you only have a 5 in 12 chance of hitting a win. The RTP of the dice game can very easily be adjusted up or down and still the outcome of every roll is random. For example, if we want a 100% RTP, we just make it so you win double your bet if the total is 7 or above, giving you a 50/50 chance of winning. If we want the RTP to be 90%, we make it so you only have to hit 7 or above but instead of winning £2, you win £1.80. These are the parameters the game designers can control, not the random outcome.

    Thanks – that makes sense now.- the RNG is truly random, but the game is programmed to pay out less than it takes in.

    #53635
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    argyl53 wrote:

    Mr B wrote:

    Random is two people getting exactly the same bonus sequence on jamming jars and it being widely reported. All I am ever saying is the slot industry is not 100% random and yes, every spin is connected, in some way by RTP. When a slot goes into suck mode, and then the bonus finally lands and you get back 1-3% rtp, random died and went to hell in favour of profit mode. When you hit a low symbol on DHV bonus and say the 9’s just refuse to land leaving the word “fix” being said, kills the random theory. I realise no one is denying pre-determined bonuses but that in it self is not random. No one is denying the use of random. At the end of the day, we all know this.

    What I heard is that Jamming Jars is more like a virtual scratchcard than a slot, hence why you can get exactly the same bonus sequence as someone else. That’s fine; the winning or losing outcome – the “scratchcard” you get – is still random, it’s just done in a different way than many other slots work. Let’s get those dice rolls out again – if your total is exactly 11, you get a pre-determined bonus sequence which results in you winning 10 x your stake. The outcome of that dice roll is still completely random.

    Yawn….Oi argyl can u see this?

    #53639
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    There’s a super thread on this on CM  https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/  (Hope it’s okay to post this)

    It goes for over ninety pages on the same debate about RNG being somehow accessible but it also gives greater depth into the relationship between punters, casinos, game providers (or platform hosts), acceptable risks and what is controlled by whom.

    Fascinating reading and, from what I gather from that thread and Argyle’s brilliant dice-analogy, RTP can be pre-written into the game and agreed between the game provider and casino beforehand but cannot be changed ad-hoc as it changes the ‘approved mathematics’ of the game that would then need to be re-approved before release. Being a programmer myself, I trust the auditability of code/hashtables and simple, plain business-sense. Why risk anything when the maths is in your favour ?

    There’s also amusement from ‘TourettesGuy’ and many mentions of ‘Tinfoil Hats’. Anyway, if Bandit doesn’t remove the external link above, have a good read. Apologies if this is already linked elsewhere,

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    #53653
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    @argyl53 we’re wasting our time with Just Basics and Mr B. They do not have the mental capacity to comprehend or take in what we’re saying here. I honestly wouldn’t waste your energy any more with them. ?

    Yes, that may seem like an awfully rude thing to say, but if you go back through my posts you’ll see how often I (and others) have articulated several points on this topic to Mr B just this week, politely, and here he is back again making comments that just tell me either 1) he hasn’t bothered to read them or 2) he doesn’t understand or 3) he’s just too stubborn to admit that he’s wrong. To me, that’s rude.

    I agree there is a learning curve here with this topic, and it’s a good one to debate. But when it’s exactly the same points being raised and refuted time and time again, it’s clear there is no point continuing this debate with certain people.

    #53654
    Haz40 WANTED $1,166
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    Biohazard wrote:

    @argyl53 we’re wasting our time with Just Basics and Mr B. They do not have the mental capacity to comprehend or take in what we’re saying here. I honestly wouldn’t waste your energy any more with them. ?

    Yes, that may seem like an awfully rude thing to say, but if you go back through my posts you’ll see how often I (and others) have articulated several points on this topic to Mr B just this week, politely, and here he is back again making comments that just tell me either 1) he hasn’t bothered to read them or 2) he doesn’t understand or 3) he’s just too stubborn to admit that he’s wrong. To me, that’s rude.

    I agree there is a learning curve here with this topic, and it’s a good one to debate. But when it’s exactly the same points being raised and refuted time and time again, it’s clear there is no point continuing this debate with certain people.

    How do they reduce the rtp mate ?

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