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[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

I hope this post doesn’t attract the ban hammer. I’m hesitant in posting this because it’s really none of my business, I’m not in possession of all the facts and Bandit is a big boy who knows his own mind. However, he has put this part of his life into the public domain, so I suppose I am entitled to an opinion.

I’m very fond of the Bandit. Having watched his videos for so long one seems to get the feeling that you almost know him personally. I know some of you do and he seems a genuinely really nice bloke. But I am concerned.

Only gamble what you can afford to lose seems to be the gambling mantra and he says this every video. Now I don’t gamble, but am very comfortable and could indeed afford to piss away £100k and still be able to pay the bills. I can afford it in terms of not going hungry for the next month, but does this make it a good or even an acceptable decision?

Now I suspect Steve has blown about £400k over the past few months, giving back a good chunk of the reel-king wins. The nature of his videos have also changed over this period. The £2-£4 pound spins are rarer and after losing a chunk he now chases his losses, raising until he either gets it back, or more likely loses more. That didn’t use to be the case. For the longest time he would be down a couple of grand at the end of the video (almost always) and just jog on. There was no chasing.

I’m making certain judgments here, but if we don’t see a step change in his behaviour that nice new house may well be at risk. For me the alarm bells are ringing and I hope he hears them too.

I also agree with the casino suspending his account for 24 hours. The casino is being responsible. This cooling off period may save an individual from losing tens of thousands. Now of course the gambler is going to be as frustrated as hell with the decision, because in the moment they want to chase their losses; but after cooling down, sometimes they will be glad of the ban. It would be irresponsible of them not to call a halt. That of course does not condone the bad attitude of the casino rep who Bandit was complaining about. The chap was obviously a dick.

[thunderball6 WANTED $272 Outlaw]

Think he has been gambling long enough to not risk his house . Not a chance . And while that video wasn’t the best result for the bandit . It was entertaining , lots off people want to see a bonus on dhv at 40pound , we see the 2-4 pound bonuses all the time .

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

thunderball6 wrote:

Think he has been gambling long enough to not risk his house . Not a chance . And while that video wasn’t the best result for the bandit . It was entertaining , lots off people want to see a bonus on dhv at 40pound , we see the 2-4 pound bonuses all the time .

I’m not basing what I said on one video, but what I’ve seen over the past couple of years. Also I don’t give a crap if it entertains you or anyone else, my concern is for the well-being of the Bandit. And do you believe that having a long term gambling habit somehow makes you immune to losing more than you can actually afford? I hope not.

[thunderball6 WANTED $272 Outlaw]

I’m not concerned . I’m sure he will still have enough money to do the prize draws at the end off the month ?

[Seedy WANTED $1,243 Sheriff]

PsychicSnail wrote:

I hope this post doesn’t attract the ban hammer. I’m hesitant in posting this because it’s really none of my business, I’m not in possession of all the facts and Bandit is a big boy who knows his own mind. However, he has put this part of his life into the public domain, so I suppose I am entitled to an opinion.

I’m very fond of the Bandit. Having watched his videos for so long one seems to get the feeling that you almost know him personally. I know some of you do and he seems a genuinely really nice bloke. But I am concerned.

Only gamble what you can afford to lose seems to be the gambling mantra and he says this every video. Now I don’t gamble, but am very comfortable and could indeed afford to piss away £100k and still be able to pay the bills. I can afford it in terms of not going hungry for the next month, but does this make it a good or even an acceptable decision?

Now I suspect Steve has blown about £400k over the past few months, giving back a good chunk of the reel-king wins. The nature of his videos have also changed over this period. The £2-£4 pound spins are rarer and after losing a chunk he now chases his losses, raising until he either gets it back, or more likely loses more. That didn’t use to be the case. For the longest time he would be down a couple of grand at the end of the video (almost always) and just jog on. There was no chasing.

I’m making certain judgments here, but if we don’t see a step change in his behaviour that nice new house may well be at risk. For me the alarm bells are ringing and I hope he hears them too.

I also agree with the casino suspending his account for 24 hours. The casino is being responsible. This cooling off period may save an individual from losing tens of thousands. Now of course the gambler is going to be as frustrated as hell with the decision, because in the moment they want to chase their losses; but after cooling down, sometimes they will be glad of the ban. It would be irresponsible of them not to call a halt. That of course does not condone the bad attitude of the casino rep who Bandit was complaining about. The chap was obviously a dick.

Asking a normal question ain’t going to get you the ban hammer dude.

Also bandit is fine hes very much fine we was in the pub tonight having a few jars throwing darts so all is normal. ??

 

[Haz40 WANTED $1,166 Outlaw]

Seedy wrote:

PsychicSnail wrote:

I hope this post doesn’t attract the ban hammer. I’m hesitant in posting this because it’s really none of my business, I’m not in possession of all the facts and Bandit is a big boy who knows his own mind. However, he has put this part of his life into the public domain, so I suppose I am entitled to an opinion.

I’m very fond of the Bandit. Having watched his videos for so long one seems to get the feeling that you almost know him personally. I know some of you do and he seems a genuinely really nice bloke. But I am concerned.

Only gamble what you can afford to lose seems to be the gambling mantra and he says this every video. Now I don’t gamble, but am very comfortable and could indeed afford to piss away £100k and still be able to pay the bills. I can afford it in terms of not going hungry for the next month, but does this make it a good or even an acceptable decision?

Now I suspect Steve has blown about £400k over the past few months, giving back a good chunk of the reel-king wins. The nature of his videos have also changed over this period. The £2-£4 pound spins are rarer and after losing a chunk he now chases his losses, raising until he either gets it back, or more likely loses more. That didn’t use to be the case. For the longest time he would be down a couple of grand at the end of the video (almost always) and just jog on. There was no chasing.

I’m making certain judgments here, but if we don’t see a step change in his behaviour that nice new house may well be at risk. For me the alarm bells are ringing and I hope he hears them too.

I also agree with the casino suspending his account for 24 hours. The casino is being responsible. This cooling off period may save an individual from losing tens of thousands. Now of course the gambler is going to be as frustrated as hell with the decision, because in the moment they want to chase their losses; but after cooling down, sometimes they will be glad of the ban. It would be irresponsible of them not to call a halt. That of course does not condone the bad attitude of the casino rep who Bandit was complaining about. The chap was obviously a dick.

Asking a normal question ain’t going to get you the ban hammer dude.

Also bandit is fine hes very much fine we was in the pub tonight having a few jars throwing darts so all is normal.

 

Hope throwing darts at the dart board you mean ???

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

@Seedy. What can I say?
You’re his mate and know him. I don’t. But think about this…

He’s lost about £400,000 in a few months. That’s more than the average person is able to put away into a pension fund after a full 50 years of full time employment. A total fortune for your average punter; so a missed opportunity, but not even close to the real issue.

Look at his play over the past few months. The way in which his bet sizes have increased, the way in which he’s starting to blow larger amounts of cash, losing sight of the value of it, far outstripping his affiliate earnings. He’s run through his winnings in double quick time and if he doesn’t apply the brakes now he will lose more; far more than he can actually afford.

It’s a dangerous time. Like winning the lottery and pissing through the millions, ending up in debt (happens to about 30% of them). But unlike most of those lottery winners he’s also a gambling addict. And don’t even consider for a second that he isn’t because it’s obvious.

So he turns up at the pub. Good old Stevie, throwing those darts, cracking those jokes, making you piss yourself. Having a right old laugh. Can’t be anything wrong there, can there? Or can there…?

If he’s acting normal to his closest friends then that’s the most worrying thing. Maybe as his mate it’s time to step up and have that conversation.

You’re his friend. You care about him. And oddly so do I.

[nf nffcfan WANTED $8 Outlaw]

Got to say I agree with PsychicSnail on this one.

Maybe not in the bandits case but in most forms of life it’s the people acting normal who are in-fact hiding the most.

I almost feel guilty now for some of these big losses as I feel it’s us the viewer who are almost forcing the bandit to keep producing these videos and going by recent tweets Steve himself is struggling to find the time and motivation to make them.

I’ve been a long time follower from the JPF days when the bandit was JPM monopoly and he had his magical coat full of £20 notes when playing FOBT roulette with keykeythe1 and steelfix (would love to know what happend to them).

I’m a massive fan of everything the bandit has done so far but even I now wish he would call it a day on the videos before everything he has is gone.

I watched yesterday’s upload and it actually hurt me watching deposit after deposit disappear knowing what the end result would most likely be a feeling most of us can relate to knowing we’re in a hole that we’re not going to get out of.

Steve has done some wonderful things through this forum with giveaways, promotions and some heartwarming charitable donations when people have been in a reel mess.

I wish him well in whatever he chooses but wouldn’t be at all sad if he knocked the videos on the head for a while and takes stock of the situation.

 

[li ligarr WANTED $82 Outlaw]

PsychicSnail wrote:

@Seedy. What can I say? You’re his mate and know him. I don’t. But think about this…

He’s lost about £400,000 in a few months. That’s more than the average person is able to put away into a pension fund after a full 50 years of full time employment. A total fortune for your average punter; so a missed opportunity, but not even close to the real issue.

Look at his play over the past few months. The way in which his bet sizes have increased, the way in which he’s starting to blow larger amounts of cash, losing sight of the value of it, far outstripping his affiliate earnings. He’s run through his winnings in double quick time and if he doesn’t apply the brakes now he will lose more; far more than he can actually afford.

It’s a dangerous time. Like winning the lottery and pissing through the millions, ending up in debt (happens to about 30% of them). But unlike most of those lottery winners he’s also a gambling addict. And don’t even consider for a second that he isn’t because it’s obvious.

So he turns up at the pub. Good old Stevie, throwing those darts, cracking those jokes, making you piss yourself. Having a right old laugh. Can’t be anything wrong there, can there? Or can there…?

If he’s acting normal to his closest friends then that’s the most worrying thing. Maybe as his mate it’s time to step up and have that conversation.

You’re his friend. You care about him. And oddly so do I.

If he had never started playing this way he would not have won his house,im sure he will be ok and has learnt when to stop9like taking a break now after the last 2 losses).

[thunderball6 WANTED $272 Outlaw]

Don’t think he has lost 400k has he ? . Don’t forget he went to Vegas twice , and had good results , so after them 2 trips , he prob had more money than he expected to have anyway . He could easily have been 72k down, after them 2 trips , and know one would have given a shit .

[Xbobmad WANTED $729 Outlaw]

thunderball6 wrote:

Don’t think he has lost 400k has he ?

I think that’s a number picked out of the air to be honest

 

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

Xbobmad wrote:

thunderball6 wrote:

Don’t think he has lost 400k has he ?

I think that’s a number picked out of the air to be honest

 

I’m sure a few months back he said he was up over 600k on Reel King and Wild Swarm. He also said he bought his house for 200k.

Last video he says “I’m still up by more than the value of my house”. Not very much more, I would guess, given that he’s had some legendary losses recently. So although the figure maybe inaccurate it wasn’t “picked out of the air”. The exact amount is both none of our business and irrelevant to the post and my concerns.

 

[The Bandit WANTED $5,352 El Bandito]

It’s a difficult journey to document to be totally honest with you. Lets rewind to the beginning of the rollercoaster of a year i have had, just over a year now in fact, it started with a message telling me that i didn’t have to build the swarm on wild swarm up on a larger stake and that in fact i could do it on 20 pence and then change it to whatever stake i liked to try and pop it, upon hearing this i went straight to the game and tried it, unfilmed of course as it was just a test for me. I have always been interested in gaining an edge, whether it be on a compensated profile of a fruit machine in a pub or an online game down to anything really, if there was an advantage there to be worked out then my brain would click in to overdrive and try all sorts of ways of finding it.

My very first swarm, £1,000 deposited – nothing different there, just me and my normal starting point i am sure you would agree. So i built the swarm on 20p and i was in fact in profit after doing so to the awesome amount of around £20 from memory, it was a long time ago now! Now then, knowing nothing about the game i now wondered how it was going to trigger and i read that each bee that landed would give a chance at it opening, on the 8th bee, the hive shook and it splattered the screen, ooooh nice i though, i was on £6 stake and it had cost around £200 – looking back now we all understand how lucky that is, it could have taken fucking ages and cost loads but there it was, it went for just over 500x and paid £3,008 and i was like wow. I went again. It did the same again, paying slightly less this second time at around the 2.5k mark but again, hadn’t really cost anything and i found myself almost £6k up from 2 rotations which at the time, i’d not really experienced anything of the like, usually it was loss after loss on the slots or if i was lucky, a level session. Winning sessions didn’t really happen all that often but here i am, sat on £6k profit, what do i do now? Well i am going to speculate and try and accumulate because now i feel, i have an edge. I genuinely don’t think they intended the game to work in this way when it was first released, no other game anywhere lets you transcend the stakes with an advantage, i do believe they fucked up.

Anyway, a few rotations later and i am sat on a £15k profit and think i am king of the world. I go again…. 121 bees and my record worst activation sees me lose £9k, ok ouch i think, i had started that one on £10 stake because why not, well that is why not and i learnt from that. It wasn’t long until i had built it back up past the 15k…19k…26k…35k and at this stage, Reel King was burning a hole in my head because i believed that i could have a bloody good shot at a martingale system through the stakes on that if i had A) The Bollocks and B) The Funds well now because of Wild Swarm, I had the funds – did i have the bollocks, of course i did so off i went. I didn’t jump in at the deep end though, i rigorously tested it starting from 40p stake. It was win after win after win each session providing i was disciplined and stuck to my method. I built from there, Reel King got me to £50k then i continued to swarm, soon i was £100k up on Swarm alone (These figures have actually been posted by Casumo Andy at some point on here) and Reel King started to pay some bonkers money and build and build i did.

Of course there came losses on both of these games, big big losses at that but with a solid bank roll management system in place, i never dipped below using these games own money to play them. I got ridiculously ahead on both of these games and started to jump in at a higher stake, i started starting my Reel King journeys on £16 stake for example so when winning sessions came, they were 5 figure profits, speculating to accumulate and accumulate i did but from past experience i knew i should do something epic with the money i was winning so i bought a house. There isn’t a way on this Earth that the house purchase would ever be reversed and used to gamble, I bought the Mrs a lovely new(ish) car, i pretty much spent half a million pounds that i had won in the 6 months prior. Of course this bashed my available funds pot right down and i started again, Wild Swarm and Reel King, sensible starting stakes, some of the journeys were documented on here but they always began with a £1.60 top or a £3 top etc, wherever the staking method took me was where i ended up and yes, the end of each cycle came in the form of a huge loss but i’d factored that in, it still left me stupidly ahead each time.

This kind of money coming in from these two games enabled me to have a bit of a bash at the higher stakes, play without the worry of finding myself in the gutter if i lost a huge amount, i played to those means, i played using the pot i had built from playing these two games with their own money – people seem to forget that at the start, there was nothing different to my starting point, £1,000 deposited and off i went, had those first few sessions have gone differently then i wouldn’t have got anywhere near what i managed in the end, the stake goes higher and higher because the pot goes higher and higher, the risk is high but the reward is high, i stress again, i played with money won and my attitude there was simple, if it goes well i could set myself up for life here.

So recently i have lost a shit load on videos but off video i have had a win here or there, my last 3 trips to Vegas have yielded $60,000 profits and yes of course i know, one time i will get bitten there but i am now playing with their money even there aren’t i, that is how i see it, i went there each time with an amount of money i was comfortable losing, i didn’t lose and in fact won a shit load so now when i go there, i use that pot first. To me now, Reel King has changed, i went months and months without a losing session, genuinely months and months sometimes yet now, my last 5 or 6 sessions have been huge losses with no tops at all sometimes, rewind to when it was good for me and hitting the top 10 times in a day was common, i don’t care what anyone says, it has changed, something has been tinkered with, perhaps the percentage spread has been altered in the tiniest of ways but it just doesn’t happen now like it used to.

I am completely fine, people speculating about how these losses effect me, the answer is they don’t. The reason they don’t is because i have been wise with big chunks of these winnings and sorted myself out with bricks, mortar and wheels – none of which can be gambled away. Of course the money i have lost is a huge amount but the only reason i got to that level in the first place was playing like you see me play on those videos, it just went better didn’t it – if i never played like i played on the last video, i wouldn’t own my house and i wouldn’t have the car either so in my opinion, even if i lost every penny i have and had to start again from £0, it was all worth it because of the assets gained. As i have said, i have been there before, spending every penny i have and i do not intend to do that ever again in my life but only i will know that, only i know that i have separate pots for this that and everything, my day to day living pot continues to grow because when i add to it, it stays added, when the gambling funds are exhausted, i don’t gamble.

This notion that i can only play how i do because of affiliate earnings is absolute bollocks, i mean how much do you think i make on a monthly basis? Am i up there rivaling google or something, no i’m not. The affiliate commission is a very nice boost at the end of each month but lets think where it has to go before i get any of it, i usually give away about £6,000 of it, i have staff members and thats another few grand, i pay for a server and have my website engineer on a monthly retainer, i give an incredible amount of money to charity each month and i also send a daft amount to random people behind the scenes who aren’t as fortunate as me, i don’t shout it from the rooftops but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. There are plenty more costs associated with what i do that i just can’t think of off the top of my head but yeah, its bloody expensive. 99% of people know and understand that when they use one of my links, at some point, there will be some form of kick back from that casino in respect of that, almost all of my casino deals are CPA only as i’ve said like a broken record, this means that i get paid the same amount of money for someone that joins and loses £10,000 as someone who joins and wins £10,000. It is a one time set fee for that single player and nothing to do with losses. The crackpot opinion that i don’t make videos anymore because i don’t need to just fucks me off and is utterly stupid – i only make money when i do a new video because that is when new people sign up, i get a new CPA from a new person, if i get no new people i don’t get paid it is quite simple. I play when i want to play, i don’t believe in scheduling your gambling, i think if you play all week, everyday, streaming or video making a new video or stream every day then you are 100% business. I am 100% gambler, there is an element of schedule to mine because it is usually on a Sunday but that gives me all week to choose when i want to have a bash, it lets me play when i want to play and not because i want to make money from sign ups.

The bonkers thing is, if i was earning £10,000,000 a month, does it change the entertainment level of my videos? No, my video is my video, you see what happens and when it happens and how it happens and how it makes me feel and react, if i win you see a win, if i lose you see a loss, if i lose it over some fucktard being rude to me on the phone when i have spent a fuck ton at a casino, you hear it, it is still one of the most real windows in to online gambling that exists and even if you are a troll wanker, you can’t deny that.

So yes, my gambling has changed since these games built up big pots for me but that is exactly how i built those big pots, i won’t be apologising for that any time soon.

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

@Bandit.

I have carefully read your post. I have clearly followed the way in which you have transitioned from small bets to larger bets on those slots and totally get it. Certainly my risk averse attitude would never have seen me win anything like you did. I am also pleased to hear you have squirreled away plenty from the large chunk you managed to accumulate.

I also understand that your affiliate earnings are minimal, and would be surprised if you don’t give away more than you get from this source.

My concern stems from the way your gaming has changed in general and here I do think I have a valid point. In two videos recently you have chased losses on very high stakes, something that previously you never did. Now it may be that you only do this because you have these extra funds and have a clear financial line that you won’t cross. Maybe you are totally disciplined and not “on tilt”. If so then you are a rare gambler indeed.

Surely you can see my point and why I’m concerned. Even though I was aware of everything you said, as I have followed your journey and listen carefully, I was still concerned that your recent behaviour could easily see you going down a slippery slope.

[The Bandit WANTED $5,352 El Bandito]

You see i don’t agree that it is chasing losses, it’s one session for me, when the session ends that is it. I don’t then start the next session on max stake etc, the next session is a new session, there is no loss chasing. If i had a huge loss and then next time i played, started straight away on £40 DHV for example, i’d agree that is chasing losses but when i start a session, click the stake up a bit, then a bit more etc, that is just my session, i will either win at the end or lose an amount that is within my financial limits.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion on what “chasing losses” actually means but technically then, after your first press, whether you are on 40p or £40, if you didn’t win on that first spin, you must be chasing losses right? My view is no you aren’t, if there are people out there that say yes you are then that’s their view i guess.

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