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[Deuchars WANTED $5 Outlaw]

I play these all the time and because it’s limited to a £500 max jackpot, I have a good control over my own discipline (no more than £150 since chasing the win isn’t worth it here). I self excluded online using Gamstop because I was spending far too much, I had more than my fair share of large wins (well over the 1000x payout). I struggled with withdrawal timings so ended up just using the winnings and crashing out.

 

The fobts mean I can easily pop to the counter and walk away. Adding in the limit is fine with me as I never spend more than the £2 per spin anyway. Roulette isn’t for me, I prefer it in a casino live.

 

 

[blacko1974 WANTED $248 Spectator]

Stevie25 wrote:

blacko1974 wrote:

 

Stevie25 wrote:

Fobt wrecked community’s, glad there going down… Sooner the better… Fuck them.

Absolutely wrecked people in Glasgow, I remember the weeks they 1st came in & a few months later they had took the spirit of gambling from everyone who touched them.

Ruined the riverboat casino, 1 of the busiest places in the UK at the time… These things have caused untold stories of misery, put familys in destitution. I have seen good friends absolutely ruined from Fobt and still don’t leave the house due to fear of going back… Truly fuck these Fobt.

Hopefully it will bring back a bit of the high street again, but I can see them trying every trick in the book to keep the wages coming.

Thanks for your contribution Stevie and as a Glaswegian myself I can resonate the damage these bastards have inflicted on our fine city. I can confidently predict that the people of London, Manchester, Cardiff etc.. will feel the exact same as us North of the border, Our city centres are filled with bookies who can’t move close enough to each other to open up branches with no other motive than that of planting their allocated 4 FOBts in the poorest working class areas, its simply depressing.

Tell you a quick story.. I don’t know if this still stands but a few years ago Ladbrokes managers were given some sort of annual bonus according to how much profit the shop had accumulated, I watched a fella I knew pretty well playing roulette on the FOBt, to say he was doing his bollocks in was an understatement, the guy was close to tears as he desperately tried to win his money back ( he was in for thousands ). Well things went from bad to worse for this poor fella when I just happened to glance at the counter to witness the manager snigger and laugh each time the poor fucker chased his money back, every time they laughed a losing number rolled in. I didn’t realise that the counter staff could see whether the spin was a winner or loser before the poor fucker who has risked his money sees it for himself. These heartless bastards gleefully laughed while witnessing a grown man piss his life down the toilet. I’m not happy about people losing their jobs in the bookmaking industry but the thoughts of that day are never far from my mind.

This was fucking years ago, If I am talking shite about the staff seeing the result before the punter then please tell me that i’m talking bollocks. It was that old roulette where the blonde bird told you what the number was, think it was the first software.

 

 

 

 

Hi Black… I have a good friend how works I a bookies at the gallowgate, it was totes when he worked there next to the car Market.. Another friend done £10,000 bag money in that machine and the manager was telling us the numbers by running behind the counter, before it stopped, believe me if he could have rigged it, the whole of Glasgow would have been rigging it in our favor lol No joking….

Most bookie managers gamble too, but the owners do have the right to make it a higher % if they want or squeeze the max out.. That’s headquarters not management choice. Think the minimum is 90% and that’s low..

In the 101 in hope St the old Ladbroke beside Central Station a young guy won over £21,000.the 1st year they came out.. The bookies now a very small shop. And that was the busiest bookies in the UK. It won awards every year. Reason I know is the 1st day of the Alcohol ban I was in that bookies playing Fruits and went to toilet, 2 homeless dudes in there drinking, Cops came in as I was leaving and I got lifted too ??? As I was a regular at the time in that bookies the manager new me & my lawyer got a written letter from her & proof of camera to avoid my Alcohol & breach of peace charge dropped ??? cost me about £600 ??? to get off a fine of about £200 hahahah ah but I would have stopped me getting my taxi licence too, fuckers.

I got plenty story’s of people ruining there life’s with these fobt in Glasgow, as I played everyday in fruits in city centre, for years.

My best friend at the time is now fucked up, can’t leave house because he can’t leave them alone. ?Has major problems now, that even I can’t help.

The thing is, the drug dealers all play them & it has caused the on going wars in the North because of money problems & as you know Glasgow it tough out there at times.

I’ve worked in the North for 20 years and seen the affects of these things, and how all the spare change is going to them instead of the kids and stuff. It’s absolutely ruined the community. Everywhere is dead now.

I say fuck the workers too, because they have other options to go to once the bookies close and the economy grows it creates jobs, these bookies drain it.. So fuck them.

If you notice all the old staff left years ago because of it & now they rely on young folk who don’t know any better. I know it’s not there faults, for working there, but we the people should not forget that they have choices. And we the people got this reduction in stakes, time to get back to gambling on True randomness like football etc.. Not fixed gambling odds machines or video races.

Gambling in Britain was always that way until Tony Blair changed it all.

Fruits where gaming machines not gambling machine.

Video gambling is not true randomness no matter what the mathamaticians say. And it was illegal for good reason.

I say its time to put these Gambling machines to bed. ?

Keep the gaming machines and be very aware of BTG and push gaming etc with there new volitile gaming machines.

Sorry for the long rant… ?

 

First of all mate that is a great post!. I’m from the Glasgow area myself so I am aware of the venues you have listed. I have been there and done that, seen many things that I should have learned from but didn’t. Most of the users on the forum have probably never heard of the “Gallowgate”,  to those who haven’t it is a working class area of Glasgow who are amongst the “down to earth”, nicest people you will meet. I remember pre FOBt days where men used to go to the pub and have a wee lucky 15 or placepot on the horses. The atmosphere seemed to change when the terminals were installed, it seemed that everybody was collecting money from them in their first year, on reflection I do not think this was coincidence, I for one became addicted. The “betting shop” used to be a place where men would chew the fat and have the occasional flutter, they are now a cancer within our society. I will move on as this is the bandits forum and I don’t want to bring the mood down.

I enjoyed your post Steve, it made interesting reading. I remember when Labour were proclaiming that we were going to build “supercasinos” and that Blackpool was going to be the vegas of the North. Unfortunately the government were full of shit and left Blackpool hanging dry leaving the Lancaster councils out of pocket with the failed promise of Blackpools rejuvenation. Instead they flooded the UK with FOBts ignorant of the fact of the damage that they would ultimately cause. Sorry, didn’t realise I started ranting again in second paragraph.

 

Take Care Mate.

[andywilliams1187 WANTED $398 Blocked]

I had forgotten about the supercasino in blackpool until you mentioned it then. I remember the hype around loads of jobs, big money into the local community, high roller poker tournaments. Ended up with a FOBT.

[St Stevie25 WANTED $254 Outlaw]

Thanks…… You too blacko, take care bro…. ??

[Jamie1872 WANTED $6 Outlaw]

I remember when I first played on FOBTS. I used to gamble on horses, football and the odd dog race. This was about 12 years ago and I wouldnt consider spending more than £20 the whole time I was there. I then started on the machines no more than 2 quid on the wheel or playing the slots which im sure the max stake was £1 no mega spins or anything.

Then they introduced £2 stakes then £10 mega spins. After that they kept creeping up the mega games right up to £50. Im pretty sure there was a game you could do £100 mega/fortune spins. This is what done me in playing fotune spins to try and get a decent return so my gambiling got worse then better then really bad when I started working in the City Centre. In Glasgow a bookies on every corner in fact almost a street full outside the train station  most open at 8am. I gambled to pass time more than anything and I was lucky I never got into serious debt/trouble but for awhile most of my disposable income went in the machines.

They knew the profits they were making and slowly introduced all the higher stakes on slots once they had people hooked. I still gambled but online with monthly limits and it’s made a huge difference.

I don’t know if they could introduce a member card system to the bookies with limits so you can’t put cash straight into the machine and then can’t go over your limit with similar cool off periods to online. There will be people who use multiple cards etc but getting rid of addiction takes effort on both sides. As people have said they will be thinking of a way round the £2 stake and the government I imagine will make a fair amount in tax under the existing set-up so it makes you think if there is a loophole in the legislation. To be fair though did they not bring the date forward to April rather than next year or the end of this one? I’m hoping the £2 stake makes a difference and in sure they have a set time between spins so they can’t speed up the games to compensate.

[bobibopo WANTED $9 Outlaw]

Its good to see change starting with these machines,the biggest problem i have with bookies though is that you cant exclude effectively from them.  They should all be the same as casinos where you need to sign up.  As said, they are just everywhere, its not hard to find one you’re not excluded from if you really want to.  The gaming areas in service stations have tripped me up plenty of times when i travel for work.

[blacko1974 WANTED $248 Spectator]

Spoke to a Ladbrokes manager on Sunday and asked him if the FOBt restrictions will affect him personally. He said that they all received a letter stating that redundancies were highly likely, he also mentioned that they are looking at which shops make a profit before the FOBt income and closing the shops that aren’t. He seemed to think that the type of player was changing from the conventional roulette spinner to more slot players, he took delight in telling me someone dropped a grand in one over the weekend chasing a £500 jackpot at £2 a spin.

[thunderball6 WANTED $272 Outlaw]

i still go in to my bookies to do football coupons . Because i do fear that in a few years the local bookies will be a thing off the past . And it would be a shame especially for the older generation . So many local pubs closing down and post offices . They going to have to travel to city centers to do anything.

[blacko1974 WANTED $248 Spectator]

thunderball6 wrote:

i still go in to my bookies to do football coupons . Because i do fear that in a few years the local bookies will be a thing off the past . And it would be a shame especially for the older generation . So many local pubs closing down and post offices . They going to have to travel to city centers to do anything.

Apparently the Horse racing industry are saying that the FOBt restrictions are going to severely damage the sport as Bookmakers won’t have anywhere near the same levels of cash once their little piggy banks have been smashed open.. I really couldn’t give a fuck TBH as the horses and dogs have been rife with corruption for a long long time. The bookies will always be there to take your money lad, I actually predict that the new betting terminals will be unveiled in pubs and other public places, I don’t mean the FOBts but the other ones where you can place your football coupons, cash out etc..

[Haz40 WANTED $1,166 Outlaw]

Is the government increasing the tax on online casinos this year which is obviously to compensate the reduction of corporation tax from bookmakers. How will this affect the rtp on online slots. Will they be reduced who knows.

[blacko1974 WANTED $248 Spectator]

Haz40 wrote:

Is the government increasing the tax on online casinos this year which is obviously to compensate the reduction of corporation tax from bookmakers. How will this affect the rtp on online slots. Will they be reduced who knows.

It will certainly be the player who has to fork out the extra.. RTPs will be adjusted accordingly.

[andywilliams1187 WANTED $398 Blocked]

Yes they are mate. It’s going up to 21%

[blacko1974 WANTED $248 Spectator]

andywilliams1187 wrote:

Yes they are mate. It’s going up to 21%

How u doin Andy Boy? Not seen you around for a while, was out drinking with the missus yesterday and the forum turned into WW3 FFS. I look at you as my forum bodyguard these days as I’m too wee to fight my own battles, a Jeremy Kyle, Steve the big hard fucker kinda scenario.

[St Steller WANTED $34 Outlaw]

blacko1974 wrote:

Spoke to a Ladbrokes manager on Sunday and asked him if the FOBt restrictions will affect him personally. He said that they all received a letter stating that redundancies were highly likely, he also mentioned that they are looking at which shops make a profit before the FOBt income and closing the shops that aren’t. He seemed to think that the type of player was changing from the conventional roulette spinner to more slot players, he took delight in telling me someone dropped a grand in one over the weekend chasing a £500 jackpot at £2 a spin.

Yep, and play the machine at the wrong time, on ￡2 a spin you can blow a grand in no time at all.  Crazy really, chasing a max of ￡500 when for the same stake online you can win thousands.

[Anonymous WANTED $81 Inactive]

Fuck the FOBTs but the most important thing is to change the law to forbid under 18s from gambling. I’ll bet many of us started playing the £5 jackpot slots at seaside arcades or whatever. The whole time you wished you were old enough to play the “big machines next door”. For me being old enough was like 14. Casinos and slot arcades often don’t give a fuck about the law. I spent a lot of time in an 18-only place wearing my school uniform.

Don’t just limit FOBTs to £2, ban the fuckers from town centres. Ban all slots and video gambling from town centres. Don’t encourage kids to gamble for fuck sake. AFAIK we are the only western country and probably the only country in the world that lets kids legally gamble. Is it a shock we have grown up to be addicted to gambling?

Fuck FIFA. Fuck all of them

The only reason societies allow this kind of thing (and capitalism generally) is because of the belief that individuals might win big one day. They are happier having nothing in the hope of one day being a king, than everybody sharing a moderate existence today. Of course such philosophy is brutally flawed as it means some people accrue fantastic wealth (like bookies, the 1%) while others live in perpetual subsistence (punters, the 99%)

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