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[Seedy WANTED $1,243 Sheriff]

I’ve copied this from the other thread but it’s relevant here as well

*Sigh* can we now stop with the RTP argument everyone please I don’t wanna have to pull my big hose out on you fine fellows lol ?

so what I will actually do is put this whole RTP shit to bed right now……

You are all entitled to believe what you want to believe in respect to rigged or not rigged RTP….

Can you just please get along again lol ? I’m ill and can’t look at my phone or PC to long as my brains hurting ? so just respect each others difference of opinion and move on ?

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

On a slot Haz, you/we are, over time (whatever amount of time that is) due to lose 3.5%. In that time, you are also due to win 96.5% – 100% random or absolute random makes this impossible to achieve.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,166 Outlaw]

It’s more the roulette . In the bookies and especially on live roulette. Watching the chat on Paul’s stream people saying what’s due. It winds me up. I hear you mate. I think at the end of the day  we can’t influence any spin or any game. So little skill involved. It’s just a case of hit the button and hope for the best.

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

Mr B wrote:

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On a slot Haz, you/we are, over time (whatever amount of time that is) due to lose 3.5%. In that time, you are also due to win 96.5% – 100% random or absolute random makes this impossible to achieve.

96.5% is the THEORETICAL RTP. It is not a “sure thing”. It can deviate slightly (the actual RTP stats on VideoSlots can confirm this).

However, that being said, over millions of spins, you will find the actual results to be incredibly close to the theoretical RTP, because that’s how the law of averages work. It’s a solid business model for a casino because randomness over a large sample size is incredibly reliable.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Mikeskinner1985 wrote:

Hi guys.

Just wondering what people’s thoughts are, on if a bonus is due?

Ive recently gone through a shit ton of spins on wish upon a jackpot to get teased my tits off before finally hitting a couple of fairies and bonuses. (Although the scroll picking thing is normally a crap un).

And now must of gone close to 500 spins on Horus with no bonus.

This is across a number off sessions and not just all in one hit by the way.

So when playing a game, do you pursue said bonus thinking it must be coming any time. Or do you give up and try again? I know progress is tracked, so if you return to a game it doesn’t follow on, but it proper hooks you in going such a long timeframe without hitting one.

Any ways.

Much love

Mike

Hi Mike,

Bonuses are never “due”, because online slots are not compensated – each spin is completely independent and random. The slot in that respect doesn’t “know” when it last paid a bonus, or how many spins you’ve given it, or how much money it’s taken in or paid out. You might get two bonuses in a row, you might go a thousand spins without one.

However the design of a game will make the frequency of bonuses more or less likely – quite simply, if there are more scatters on the reels, you’re more likely to hit something. So there are plenty of games where going a single run of 1000 consecutive spins without hitting a bonus would be highly, highly unusual.

Hope that helps.

[li ligarr WANTED $82 Outlaw]

Mr B wrote:

Biohazard wrote:

Mr B wrote:

You realise if you look at my reply above, you can clearly see YOUR problem.

Not at all, there is no problem with my post, everything I have said there is both true and accurate.

If you would like to explain why you (incorrectly) believe it to be wrong, I’d be happy to have that debate with you.

Sorry Bio, but this has gone on long enough and I have more than demonstrated how wrong you and argyl are. You and argyl are trying to state the every single spin is 100% random and has zero connection to any other spin. That is 100% wrong. You cannot have a fixed RTP/profit with no rigged connection to EVERY spin.

Rules don’t prove a thing. Genuine LOGIC does. Every spin plays a part of the intake and outgoing cash flow of the RTP and Profit.

This is really getting silly now and I am really concerned about your and argyl motives. No one should be posting systemic lies here about how slots work. I’m not 100% stupid. Profit is the industry motive. If you are going to try and discredit this, come with more than legislation. Legislation rules and laws say no child should needlessly die on this planet. Yet they are dropping like poverterial flies.

Profits rule. the customer comes last. Random is slotted in between and trying to assert it has some form of governance is corrupt.

Its you who is wrong,every spin is independent of each other,If you hit say a wild line on a spin,you have the exact same chance to hit it again on the next spin(which is obviously very low)

[li ligarr WANTED $82 Outlaw]

Mikeskinner1985 wrote:

Hi guys.

Just wondering what people’s thoughts are, on if a bonus is due?

Ive recently gone through a shit ton of spins on wish upon a jackpot to get teased my tits off before finally hitting a couple of fairies and bonuses. (Although the scroll picking thing is normally a crap un).

And now must of gone close to 500 spins on Horus with no bonus.

This is across a number off sessions and not just all in one hit by the way.

So when playing a game, do you pursue said bonus thinking it must be coming any time. Or do you give up and try again? I know progress is tracked, so if you return to a game it doesn’t follow on, but it proper hooks you in going such a long timeframe without hitting one.

Any ways.

Much love

Mike

There a few slots where a bonus will be “due”ones like Holy diver where you collect things to trigger the bonus.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

I’m done with this bullshit. I know I am right and will not support the bullshit. Since insults have been thrown and admin have intervened, I have nothing further to say on the subject.

Controlled random. Not quite random but worth taking the piss out of people over. It seems.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

In another thread, https://www.backinamo.com/forum/topic/lets-look-at-a-slots-programming/ I have written a “one arm bandit” style slot game, shown the code which you can run yourself at home, broken down exactly how each line of it works, demonstrated how each spin is completely independent and random and given the probability calculations with an explanation of how this forms the RTP. Also sample results of a number of spins and wins ranging from 10 to a million.

That’s not just hard evidence, it’s the whole shebang, completely transparent. So I’m not going to be rude to anyone or argue any further with anyone about how these games work…I have left that material on the forum for anyone to see, simply because I do feel very strongly it’s important no one here is misled by anyone’s misunderstandings about what online slots are and how they run.

[Jo Joshy1992 WANTED $1 Outlaw]

I’ve found bonanza is a very difficult game to bonus. I’ve only had 1

[Green2711 WANTED $492 Outlaw]

With gambling in general nothing is “due” that’s gamblers fallacy and can lead to your ruin eventually with that type of mind set. Saying that tho if you play the game enough you will eventually hit the bonus even though it’s theoretically possible that you never hit it although it’s highly improbable that would happen.

I find the best way to play slots is to accept that the money you are playing with is gone as soon as you make the deposit and also set yourself a set amount of spins that you will walk after before you start spinning said slot that way you don’t end up chasing the bonus.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,166 Outlaw]

Green2711 wrote:

With gambling in general nothing is “due” that’s gamblers fallacy and can lead to your ruin eventually with that type of mind set. Saying that tho if you play the game enough you will eventually hit the bonus even though it’s theoretically possible that you never hit it although it’s highly improbable that would happen.

I find the best way to play slots is to accept that the money you are playing with is gone as soon as you make the deposit and also set yourself a set amount of spins that you will walk after before you start spinning said slot that way you don’t end up chasing the bonus.

Didn’t get my bloody pocket aces did i ? Even though everyone else did at the first table. More than due ha ha ??

[Mi Mikeskinner1985 WANTED $5 Outlaw]

Bloody hell!

Didnt mean to send folk down to Debenhams for their handbags. (Sorry, trying to lighten the mood).

Ive read everything and seems to make sense. The gambler in me/most of us, seems to suggest logic should in theory be giving you a bonus at some point, but it doesn’t have to. Even after a significant period of time.

On the side note, 3 spins in on hours today and bang in comes the bonus for £500. Decent. (It was obvs due!!!!!!!! Lol)

[Green2711 WANTED $492 Outlaw]

Haz40 wrote:

Green2711 wrote:

With gambling in general nothing is “due” that’s gamblers fallacy and can lead to your ruin eventually with that type of mind set. Saying that tho if you play the game enough you will eventually hit the bonus even though it’s theoretically possible that you never hit it although it’s highly improbable that would happen.

I find the best way to play slots is to accept that the money you are playing with is gone as soon as you make the deposit and also set yourself a set amount of spins that you will walk after before you start spinning said slot that way you don’t end up chasing the bonus.

Didn’t get my bloody pocket aces did i ? Even though everyone else did at the first table. More than due ha ha

And yet you outlasted everyone! Pocket aces are a curse I tell thee! As Doyle Brunson once said about Aces “you either win a little or lose a lot”

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