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  • #50553
    DAC007 WANTED $16
    Outlaw

    I don’t get it, if you’re a gambler, which you are if you’re here, then do you think online Casinos would be allowed under Socialism??

    Unless you don’t mind your 1000x being shared with everyone else?

    Socialism:

    A baker makes 100 pies a week.

    He has to give 90 pies to the collective.

    90 People get free pies.

    Baker decides it’s not worth the effort so quits and decides to collect free pies from someone else.

    Capitalism drives change and creativeness, where do you think Casinos come from?

    Socialism, in the end, makes most people poor with only the elite actually enjoying life.

    I don’t believe a plane flew into the Pentagon.

     

     

    #50555
    Haz40 WANTED $1,166
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    MurciPete wrote:

    Brexit,    Its quite ironic that most of the people that voted leave are the ones that will most probably suffer,  job losses, house repossessions etc etc.   A fair amount of people that voted leave didnt know what they were voting for.   A lot voted for immigration reasons.   Very bizarre.   Being fed lies by that kermit the frog lookalike Farage!    I wish that the cost of this disgrace would be passed on to the leave voters,  see how many would vote leave then!   Hopefully there will be another Vote and we will stop this costly damaging nonsense.

    trump.   Mentaly ill.

    holocaust.  Who ever it was that said this did not happen should seriously be ashamed of themselves.   My Grand father was one of the soldiers that were first on the scene to liberate Belson.  It mentally scarred him for the rest of his life.

     

    I voted leave and would again. I’m in the fishing industry. Enough said. Also I don’t export goods either. Solely uk

    #50556
    DAC007 WANTED $16
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    I voted Leave.  Not because of “immigrants” but because I believe in the Nation State and I’m against Globalism in it’s current form.

    Your wages are being kept low because it’s good for coprorations, Globalism doesn’t care about the individual, it cares about profits.

    If you vote for Remain you vote to keep yourself poor, it’s pretty simple really.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811221070048712-merkel-sovereignty-europe/

    Yeah, fuck that.

     

    #50581
    argyl53 WANTED $419
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    I voted leave and would again. I’m in the fishing industry. Enough said. Also I don’t export goods either. Solely uk

    So you’re double-screwed now, because fishing quotas will be renegotiated even more in the EU’s (and particularly France’s) favour as a result of us leaving.

    Your wages are being kept low because it’s good for coprorations, Globalism doesn’t care about the individual, it cares about profits.

    And you’ve oddly voted, despite your stated motivation, against the international social democratic organisation which enacted laws to protect worker’s rights to time off, reasonable pay, safe working conditions etc. and in support of the very worst of the tax avoiding, laissez-faire capitalist, hedge-fund lot like Reese-Mogg who have a direct vested financial interest in the UK leaving.

    #50588
    Haz40 WANTED $1,166
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    argyl53 wrote:

    I voted leave and would again. I’m in the fishing industry. Enough said. Also I don’t export goods either. Solely uk

    So you’re double-screwed now, because fishing quotas will be renegotiated even more in the EU’s (and particularly France’s) favour as a result of us leaving.

    Your wages are being kept low because it’s good for coprorations, Globalism doesn’t care about the individual, it cares about profits.

    And you’ve oddly voted, despite your stated motivation, against the international social democratic organisation which enacted laws to protect worker’s rights to time off, reasonable pay, safe working conditions etc. and in support of the very worst of the tax avoiding, laissez-faire capitalist, hedge-fund lot like Reese-Mogg who have a direct vested financial interest in the UK leaving.

    It’s principle the Eu have done nothing to help our fisherman. Also I’m self employed so as much as I’d love fair pay and safer working conditions but it ain’t going to happen. Nothing more scary than travelling 1000 miles a week on overcrowded motorways in winter conditions. I’m worried about my safety everyday but it’s what I have to do.

    #50615
    DAC007 WANTED $16
    Outlaw

    And you’ve oddly voted

     

    I have not.

    #50738
    Stevie25 WANTED $254
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    DAC007 wrote:

    I don’t get it, if you’re a gambler, which you are if you’re here, then do you think online Casinos would be allowed under Socialism??

    Unless you don’t mind your 1000x being shared with everyone else?

    Socialism:

    A baker makes 100 pies a week.

    He has to give 90 pies to the collective.

    90 People get free pies.

    Baker decides it’s not worth the effort so quits and decides to collect free pies from someone else.

    Capitalism drives change and creativeness, where do you think Casinos come from?

    Socialism, in the end, makes most people poor with only the elite actually enjoying life.

    I don’t believe a plane flew into the Pentagon.

     

     

    If socialism is so bad too you, don’t be calling the fire brigade when your house is on fire, don’t be calling the police either or visit any NHS or be sending your kids to school unless your paying for everything…. Oh and all that  water you use too would be far more expensive….

    We have socialism too in major multinational company’s when the likes of B.P, Amazon, Apple get Tax supplements for supplying products to the UK…. Yeah sure give these millionaires more of our hard earned tax instead of helping the public Schools and colleges etc.

    Keep giving millions of public money to scam projects that never materialise like Affordable housing projects that seem to fail for no other reasons than greed, keep pumping those public tax ÂŁ into failed train lines/improvements that again seem to fail before even being started. Corruption 101.

    But sure brother you do you…. ??

     

    #50740
    Stevie25 WANTED $254
    Outlaw

    DAC007 wrote:

    I voted Leave.  Not because of “immigrants” but because I believe in the Nation State and I’m against Globalism in it’s current form.

    Your wages are being kept low because it’s good for coprorations, Globalism doesn’t care about the individual, it cares about profits.

    If you vote for Remain you vote to keep yourself poor, it’s pretty simple really.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811221070048712-merkel-sovereignty-europe/

    Yeah, fuck that.

     

    That article is fake news brother… In this day and age we all need to be careful we’re we find our information from….

    UK does not lose its sovereignty, we actually make the EU rules along with France & Germany.. You think M.Thatcher when entering the EU would have it any other way, come on its the torys.

    Youtube Jason & 3 Blocks in a pub for sound Brexit material.. And James O’Brian on LBC radio.

    Also Private Eye magazines are great for finding out about the private sectors scams.

    No-one can ever take away our Sovereignty No-one as its written into our Parliament.

    https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/

    #50751
    Anonymous WANTED $81
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    MurciPete wrote:

    Brexit,    Its quite ironic that most of the people that voted leave are the ones that will most probably suffer,  job losses, house repossessions etc etc.   A fair amount of people that voted leave didnt know what they were voting for.   A lot voted for immigration reasons.   Very bizarre.   Being fed lies by that kermit the frog lookalike Farage!    I wish that the cost of this disgrace would be passed on to the leave voters,  see how many would vote leave then!   Hopefully there will be another Vote and we will stop this costly damaging nonsense.

    trump.   Mentaly ill.

    holocaust.  Who ever it was that said this did not happen should seriously be ashamed of themselves.   My Grand father was one of the soldiers that were first on the scene to liberate Belson.  It mentally scarred him for the rest of his life.

     

    It was the flat-earther who is also the Holocaust denier. I believe that is technically a crime or hate speech

    Forget that idiocracy for a second and let’s do Brexit.

    I am a quant (math/physics/finance) and I was totally sold on the economic idea of voting Remain. That’s mostly why I voted Remain. I also know that most of the immigration that people complain about (non-white) is from non-EU countries (Pakistan, India, Middle-East, China, Africa). Brexit has zero influence on those arrangements. I also support local businesses who depend on EU workers. Some SMEs are  60% dependent on foreign staff. People that came here to work and live like anybody else

    The economics is obviously worrying on the face of it – a WTO no-deal would have cascading effects across so many economies that it’s hard to quantify what will happen, especially when nobody knows what the legislation even looks like yet, or if there will be any legislation. There is a fair chance the EU itself will cease to exist before the UK leaves it. There will be severe short-term turbulence in the case of WTO Brexit. People will lose jobs in some industries. The thing is, people will gain jobs in other industries. If the UK no longer buys European and Japanese cars does that mean people no longer need cars? No it means they must buy UK-made cars or cars from another country.

    Already since the vote we have seen the average wage for people in the UK rise. It’s climbing higher than inflation for the first time in decades. The reasons for that are fewer EU workers coming to the UK, more EU workers in the UK leaving, therefore employers have to pay people more money because there is greater demand from employers on the remaining UK population.

    The most important factor which I overlooked when voting Remain is the fascist agenda of the EU. They most definitely want a fiscal union and an EU army – i.e. the Federal States of Europe. People in the highest echelons of the unelected EU bureaucracy have made these goals known in public.

    The issue with all of that from a UK-only side is that if we don’t join with this Federal Europe as a European State under the supreme authority of unelected bureaucrats with the euro as our single currency, we cannot align ourselves long-term with all regulations and directives of the EU. One of the major reason the UK didn’t join the euro is that financial instruments work differently here than on the continent. It’s very rare to have a variable rate mortgage on the continent whereas it’s quite common in the UK. What does that matter? Well if the EU is setting the interest rates and monetary policy based on the needs of the populace of the continent who aren’t on variable rate mortgages, those people that are on variable rates could suffer enormously. If the UK had been part of the single currency in 2008, we would no longer be a country in the same sense that Ireland and Greece are no longer countries. We would be wholly subservient to the Soros-led EU Red Shields. Being outside the EU and being able to set our own monetary and fiscal policy through the BoE and our elected government gives us wealth and power far beyond being part of the European Union.

    There are underlying philosophical frictions between Europe and the Anglo-American model. There have been for centuries. The Europeans do not buy into our more laissez-faire capitalism. Deep down they do not believe in free markets. They are not huge fans of democracy. They are blatantly anti-American in many respects. One of the most staggering things I have ever heard is the EU’s demand that the UK cannot develop any techniques or industries which give them a competitive advantage over the European Union. That is why Europe is failing. Things in PIIGS countries and France are diabolical. If anybody likes the EU more than the UK they are free to move to the EU until April. Nobody in China, Japan, Latin America, Africa, North America, is worried about the EU’s sensitivities. They are going to carry on full steam with anything that gives them an advantage over Europe.

    Essentially the UK is better off by a wide margin negotiating trade deals with the rest of the world (especially Commonwealth, USA etc) and keeping its own sovereignty, than by accepting any of the demands made by the EU. We are better off economically with a WTO no-deal Brexit than we are slowly bleeding money to a failing Europe for the next however many decades. Under a no-deal the UK saves ÂŁ40 billion on day one. That’s pretty nice. It also compels the UK to invest a lot in aerospace to replicate EU projects in which the UK was the leading contributor but is now denied access (e.g. Galileo)

    I wish there was a way we could stay in the EU and everybody would be nice. The UK isn’t even asking for much. We didn’t care so much about the money and all the bullshit but if the EU had told the UK people that we can control our own borders, that would solve a lot of issues for many people. Why does the EU not do that and why is it acting the way it does towards the UK? Because it has to. It’s a matter of survival. If they give the UK a nice reciprocal deal, like a reasonable person would, their charade ends. The EU knows other EU countries will demand the same privileges and eventually that equals the end of the EU. The EU is fundamentally flawed because given any flexibility its citizens would choose another option. There is no democracy in Europe, as proven by the Lisbon Treaty.

    I also used to hate Farage. I thought he was an ignorant prick, racist, etc because the only sources I absorbed were mainstream media (TV, radio, newspapers). When you actually look at what the guy is saying and in context, it’s a different story. On the European Union and in the EU Parliament he is the one and only star. What a bright man and brilliant orator. I fully accept Farage has many flaws (climate denier, some racist stuff) but I don’t care about that when he stands up in Parliament and speaks facts for the world to see. The facts don’t change depending on who says them. Only by watching all of those speeches did I learn that Farage isn’t a bad guy at all. He is just slaughtered by the mainstream for standing up for what he believes in. Farage has been campaigning for a Norway + style deal for the UK for over 20 years, something we should have taken while we still had the chance.

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